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wizard nelson:

--- Quote from: forumghost on June 19, 2015, 12:11:26 AM ---Unless you can give me some proof that only a single knife with a leaf-shaped blade exists in the Dresdenverse, I'm going to assume for now that they're different.

Because like Eldest said, there is no way in hell Harry wouldn't stop to have an Angst-fest over a Knife that he used to commit a cold-blooded ritualistic murder showing up.

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And unless YOU can prove two knives described exactly the same I'll continue to believe them to be the same, it's tough, I guess we all just have to live with that then until Jim comes don from on neigh and we receive the holy word saying as to what must be what. I suppose in DB mab didn't have morgana's atheme on her hip either ???

forumghost:
Very well then: In Skin Game, Harry says that the Knife he takes from the Altar has a Brass hilt:

"And the Brass hilt of the knife clicked against the aluminum splint still on my left arm"

Medea's Bodkin on the other hand?

"I bent to take it up and found an ancient, ancient knife with a simple leaf-blade design, set into a wooden handle and wrapped with cord and leather. It was, I thought, made of bronze."

So unless someone changed the handle, they're different knives.

wizard nelson:
On looking myself. Changes 238
--- Quote ---An ancient, ancient knife with a simple leaf shaped blade design, set into a wood handle and wrapped in cord and leather.it was i thought made of bronze
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SG 339
--- Quote ---A knife with a wooden handle and a leaf shaped blade.
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That he totally fails to notice the hilt or that it even has one is prof Harry isn't taking in all the details and those put forth were intentional. He only notices the hilt when it becomes central to the plot point of nic noticing the sound. (If not a mistake by Jim in that it's blade was bronze, a hilt isn't necessarily a handle btw, but this was either that, a pommel or a mistake and it should be bronze blade clicked, either way, wood handle)
Either way I rescind my ill gained touché' as nothing here directly contradicts my ideas and indeed collaborates it in Harry's inattentiveness to finer details.

Phariah:
hmm ok.
first off I do like the idea of the spearhead of the Spear of Destiny being the knife and maybe giving Harry and edge kinda interesting. could also be why Nico wanted it. with that and his noose he would than become pretty much unstoppable.

now as to the Bodkin and vault blade.
sorry but I do not see how or why the Bodkin would be in the vault at all. it is in Mab's possession. another thing, the items have to do with Christianity, the Bodkin does not have anything to do with it.

Changes the blade is a bronze leafhead blade with a wooden handle wrapped in cord and leather.
SG the blade is a leafhead blade with a wooden handle. no mention of cord or leather. you do not go around altering relic of power.

Changes the Bodkin had a bloodthirsty feel to it. "energy surged through the little blade, power that was unfettered and wild, that mocked limits and scoffed at restraint. not evil, as such- but hungry and filled with desire to partake in its portion of the cycle of life and death. it thirsted for bloodshed." that does not sound at all like a holy relic.

SG when he scans the objects he relates their power to Amoracchius, a holy relic. when he touches the knife he would recognize the power. "even that brief contact was like touching a live wire. tingles flew up my arm and set every hair of my body on end." does not sound like the blood thirsty effect from the Bodkin, but from what he has felt previously from Amorachius. GP ".. it fairly hummed with power, vibrating in my fingers." than later, "something that hummed quietly, a silent vibration of power that ran through the plastic and into my hand. a vibration I recognized." "still, it buzzed with that quiet, deep power, at once reassuring and intimidating."

when Harry states that the bronze hilt clicked against his brace, I have to believe that is an error. since the handle was already described as a wooden one. hilt- noun, the handle of a weapon or tool, especially a sword, dagger, or knife. syn. handgrip. I think it was meant to be the crossguard or pommel that was bronze and tapped his brace. which seems more likely to hit the brace than the actual handle. unless the error is the handle description. in which case it is still not the Bodkin.

KurtinStGeorge:
Doing a little research, I discovered that the myth of Medea carving up her own children because of her husband's (Jason of The Golden Fleece fame) infidelity is a very old myth, definitely Bronze Age.  She killed a lot of people, though usually she used poison or magic to do so.  In any case, when she used a blade, it would have been bronze.  I have to wonder why a bronze blade would be part of a collection of Christian artifacts, particularly if said artifacts are all related to the Crucifixion.  Roman swords, daggers and spear point were made out of iron and imported steel.

On an unrelated point, Medea was sometimes described as a priestess of Hecate.  So she knew the Queens of Faerie, possibly before they were the Queens of Faerie.  Everyone (really ancient) in the supernatural world used to be something and somebody else.     

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