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The Fourth Holy Sword
peregrine:
If that's the case, then it's still only three swords, because Cortana and Joyeuse are the same, leaving one still missing.
I wouldn't be surprised if Durandal was a holy sword, and that there's bunches more out there, but another Sword of the Cross? Without a nail, but with a link to two other swords but not three? I doubt it.
Snark Knight:
I don't know about a fourth ... I don't think it's a coincidence that Faith, Hope and Love show up both in the the three swords and Lord Raith's corrupted / different Bible passage about what will persist after empty night covers the earth.
There might be other holy swords out there (indeed, as the false shroud showed, anything that enough people believe is holy will become a source of faith power), but I'm with Peregrine on doubting they're of a set with the Three.
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: peregrine on April 16, 2015, 06:48:47 PM ---If that's the case, then it's still only three swords, because Cortana and Joyeuse are the same, leaving one still missing.
I wouldn't be surprised if Durandal was a holy sword, and that there's bunches more out there, but another Sword of the Cross? Without a nail, but with a link to two other swords but not three? I doubt it.
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I do not assert this to be a 'Sword of the Cross' in any way, that obviously requires the Nails. Just another holy sword for the fourth Archangel who may not be active any longer.
Cortana and Joyuse are separate, Curtana is reputed to have an inscription on it...
--- Quote ---According to the legend, it bore the inscription "My name is Cortana, of the same steel and temper as Joyeuse and Durendal.
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Now we know the two blades above are separate, which means it is not a re-naming of a blade that was once these two...but a blade within the same family...for the sake of the WAG its brother, Joyuse (Amoracchius) and itself (Durendal).
Foxed:
--- Quote from: Eldest Gruff on April 16, 2015, 06:34:35 PM ---That's what I outlined above as an option to how such a blade could be powered without the usage of a Nail.
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*Looks at title of thread*
... oh. Fourth Holy Sword. Not fourth 'Sword of the Cross.' Carry on.
;)
--- Quote from: peregrine on April 16, 2015, 06:48:47 PM ---If that's the case, then it's still only three swords, because Cortana and Joyeuse are the same, leaving one still missing.
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A quick wiki search shows that Ogiers the Dane wielded Cortana while Charlemagne wielded Joyeuse and Roland Durandal. Three swords made of the same metal.
--- Quote ---I wouldn't be surprised if Durandal was a holy sword, and that there's bunches more out there, but another Sword of the Cross? Without a nail, but with a link to two other swords but not three? I doubt it.
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--- Quote ---"Excalibur, Durendal, and Kusanagi, yes, yes," Sir Stuart said, his tone a little impatient. "Of course I know the Swords of the Cross. And the little blonde woman has two of them?"
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The real question is the rest of it. It's just possible that Excalibur became Joyeuse with minimal reworking, but Cortana as Fidellachius requires more important work among Charlemagne and his Paladins than among King Arthur, whose court only had one Sword.
As for pre-Christian Sword use, Durandal is, by legend, the sword of Hector (much like Fidelacchius pre-dates the Crucifixion by being, supposedly, the sword of Susano-o).
Eldest Gruff:
--- Quote from: Foxed on April 16, 2015, 07:00:45 PM ---*Looks at title of thread*
... oh. Fourth Holy Sword. Not fourth 'Sword of the Cross.' Carry on.
;)
A quick wiki search shows that Ogiers the Dane wielded Cortana while Charlemagne wielded Joyeuse and Roland Durandal. Three swords made of the same metal.
The real question is the rest of it. It's just possible that Excalibur became Joyeuse with minimal reworking, but Joyeuse as Fidellachius requires more important work among Charlemagne and his Paladins than among King Arthur, whose court only had one Sword.
As for pre-Christian Sword use, Durandal is, by legend, the sword of Hector (much like Fidelacchius pre-dates the Crucifixion by being, supposedly, the sword of Susano-o).
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:P
The quote by Sir Stuart regarding the Swords:
--- Quote ---"Excalibur, Durendal, and Kusanagi, yes, yes," Sir Stuart said, his tone a little impatient. "Of course I know the Swords of the Cross. And the little blond woman has two of them?"
--- End quote ---
For the sake of the general idea I have to wonder if Sir Stuart was mistaken. Since Durendal has its own legend ascribed to it regarding what was fixed into the hilt, and the Nail was not one of them. BUT for a broken sword out of the game, and one with a legend similar to the other three it might be enough to warrant the changing of the legend to fit Esperacchius...
After all, if the sword went missing after the time of Roland and the church lost track of it, the idea behind Durandel would certainly still be of value to the church...and therefore the legend itself simply transfers to one of the remaining holy swords :)
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