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Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why

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Dashkull:
My personal WAG is that there was a breakthrough at the Outer Gates. Rashid came to Chicago to warn Harry about black magic and to repair little Chicago (possibly under Mab's orders to do so) and while he was there, the outer gates were breached and Nemesis gathered as many follower as it could to use it to press their advantage to attack Mab. Thats why Namsciel was there, and whoever else Nemesis could muster. The point of the attack was multiple-fold, but the primary one was to give the Red Court the chance to press its attack on the white council, since it forced Winter to remain on the defensive and Summer to counter the inaction with inaction of their own (silly Sidhe!). Another possible motive of the attack was to try to free Lea, quite possibly the most powerful being we know of that it managed to nfect.

Lawgiver:
At its root I think "Outsiders" explains it all. As for motivation... let's see. Harry says he smelled Hellfire. That would mean one of the Fallen was involved. Which means there was a Denarian in place: we presume Thorned Namshiel. As we've discussed the likelihood that Nico is working against Outsiders (and if we also presume Namshiel was following Nico's orders at AT) then it would seem that someone was going after Outsider influence... destroy Lea and/or Maeve or,(iirc the presumption was that Mab was insane/infected at the time) Mab (though tough to credit that -- a lesser powered target would be easier). In the other case, where Namshiel was going against Nico's orders, then it would look like a rescue mission for Lea. Other incidentals such as the attack on the Wellspring are just 'addons' -- targets of opportunity. Remember, the bigger players (like Nico) rarely do anything for just one reason.

So, seems to me that (with as few names as we have to work with) we have to decide first whether Namshiel was working for or against Nico. What we've been given seems to suggest strongly that it's against... but, hey, Nico's been known to lie before.... We need something more solid before it can go much further, in my estimation.

peregrine:

--- Quote from: Tami Seven on February 13, 2015, 05:31:29 PM ---Wait, the Black Circle and the Black Council are synonymous. The Outsiders are the Outsiders, they are not the same as the Black Council.

They may work together on occasion, but they are not the same, as far as I know.

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Yeah.  Harry definitely lumped Cowl in as the Black Council, which Cowl calls the Circle.  Now, they may or may not be connected with the Outsiders, and Harry doesn't know what's going on with anything resembling certainty, but when he's talking about the Black Council, he's meaning the Circle.  Even if he's wrong, that's what he means.

raidem:

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--- Quote ---You might also want to add an option for "Other", just in case.   ;)

...<cough> Time Travel </cough>   ::)
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Don't encourage He who must not be given a Tardis.
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Was my name just called?
Consider this, there is a IN MAB and an OUT MAB.  They each get turns to play.  IN MAB is countering OUT MAB.  Karrin plays a pivotal role in countering a Nemesis favored Mab.

knnn:
I keep going back to this WoJ:


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--- Quote from: Imnothere ---which begs the question how badass does a badass have to be to wound Mab as such?

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--- Quote from: Gman ---The Wild Hunt lead by a couple of Denarians such at Thorned Namshiel, The Erlking and a bunch of Outsiders could get the job done. That would have been a fight to see (from a distance).

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Nah, they wouldn't even come close.  I mean... it's like comparing apples and... and hand grenades. 

Just about the best they could hope to accomplish would be to force Mab to make an effort.  Though when Mab came for them, it wouldn't be a kick-down-the-door-and kick-ass kind of encounter.  It would be a One-two-three-four-five-Hey-weren't-there SIX-of-us-here-a-second-ago? situation.

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So even with a mix of Outsiders and Denarians, there is zero chance of hurting Mab.

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