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Who Attacked Arctis Tor, and Why
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: groinkick on February 14, 2015, 06:42:28 AM ---"The Enemy", "Nemesis", "The Adversary". Before (Hope slayer), Behind ( Terror), Beside. Fidelacchius (Sword of Hope), Esperacchius (Sword of Faith), Amoracchius (Sword of Love). Dunno if it means anything but maybe each sword is a counter to the Walkers.
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Possibly. The feeling that Harry got from Behind in GHOST STORY's flashback was a sense of pure Hate. That would seem to be the antithesis of Love. Before being the Hopeslayer makes its equivalent obvious, leaving Faith and Beside. Since my personal belief is that Nemesis is Beside, and it's method is betrayal of trust, it might work to erode Faith in each other.
forumghost:
--- Quote from: namkcas on February 14, 2015, 04:10:32 AM ---So, I have enjoyed the many thoughtful posts in this thread. It has led me to another question. I don't have a theory yet, but wanted to post it to allow others to add it to the questions here.
If the WoJ is that Mab is as powerful as stated, then why did she the attack on Arctus Tor to continue? It seems to me that given the location that she could have shown up and pretty much crushed any attacking force. Which leads me to ask, why do we think Winter was defending? If Mab was distracted, Maeve could have been in control of Arctus Tor and that the battle was an attempt to retake it.
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There was definitely something else going on there, Harry himself notes it in the Book:
--- Quote ---"That's the part I can't figure," I said. "I think someone set Molly up to be a beacon for the fetches. And I'm damned sure that it was no accident that those fetches took Molly to Arctis Tor when it was so lightly defended. Someone wanted me there at Arctis Tor."
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It could be that Mab just took the losses despite not having to because she wanted Harry to rescue Molly. There's also the fact that it was the attack on Arctis Tor that triggered Harry's realisation about the 'Black Council' moving behind events.
Griffyn612:
Yeah, Mab allowing her citadel to be attacked and nearly overrun just to allow Harry to rescue Molly from there seems like a stretch. I got the feeling that Molly being taken there, and Harry coming to rescue her from there, was Mab's attempt to let Harry see what had already happened there.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Tami Seven on February 13, 2015, 05:31:29 PM ---Wait, the Black Circle and the Black Council are synonymous.
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The Circle is an organisation that actually exists. So far as we know they're involved in WN, and maybe DB; and they may or may not be the same Circle the Eebs talk about in Changes,
The Black Council is a theory of Harry's that one organisation is behind a lot more than that.
It seems important to me to not casually assume they are interchangeable.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 13, 2015, 05:19:17 PM ---I can't see anything but two scenarios, as I don't see an actual motivation for anyone else other than those two.
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the Hellfire blowing the doors in and killing the trolls and goblins being by a Denarian working for Mab, with the intent of letting Harry in to kill the Scarecrow and rescue Molly, fits together and is different from either of those two; and it doesn't even (necessarily) involve time-travel.
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