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Shecky:
--- Quote from: Exitao on November 22, 2009, 10:45:48 AM ---And we know nothing about Carna, but I will point out that probability tells us that it is extremely unlikely that Carna will have exactly the same orbit around its sun as our planet does ours.
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This is incorrect. Any planet capable of sustaining human life indefinitely is VERY likely to have a situation almost identical to ours (same kind of sun, same distance from the sun, similar orbital paths, same elements, same climates, etc.). We do not have a broad survival range when it comes to potential planetary situations. It's certainly possible for other combinations to work out, but they're even more persnickety than our current sheaf of factors.
pdqsport:
--- Quote from: Exitao on November 22, 2009, 10:45:48 AM ---Look, a larger world with the same rotational speed will have more "time" in a day. Even if they can divide it all evenly into 24 hours of 60 mins of 50 seconds each, those seconds would be longer. Then again, they could be shorter.
Some can go for the orbit of the planet around its sun. Years can be longer or shorter.
The variables you suggest are more variable than you want to comprehend. The measurement of time is subjective.
18 years of Terran time is measured by 18 rotations around Sol. Which is not the same as 18 years of Martian time, which holds a different orbit:
A one year old Martian would be different from a one year old Terran... And we know nothing about Carna, but I will point out that probability tells us that it is extremely unlikely that Carna will have exactly the same orbit around its sun as our planet does ours.
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No the variables as I have given them are simple. I have stated birth is at "X" (I NEVER said that "X" had anything to do with the orbits or rotational speed). The verbage used to describe "X" can (and probably does) vary from culture to culture and planet to planet. None of which changes the fact that "X" is a fixed point in time. With today described as "Y", the AGE is the difference between "X" and "Y". If you want to measure that difference in days, hours, centons, rells, or any other word we may have come across as being used doesn't change what the difference is.
If you want to argue that 5 Aleran years are longer/shorter than 5 Terran years, please find me some book evidence to support this. Otherwise I would say it's "Occam Time". The simplest answer is that the length of a "Year" there is roughly the same as it is here unless there is quality evidence to the contrary, and I do not think we have been given any to this point.
The description of time is subjective. The measurement is objective. A Martian "year" may not be the same as a Terran year, but that simply means that the 2 different locations are using a measuring stick with different markings and applying it to the SAME block of time.
Exitao:
What I'm arguing is that you have no rationally justifiable basis upon which to assume that they are the same, and that as such, your "theories" are specious at best and, at worst, a complete waste of my time to read.
The onus is on you to give us a reason why we should accept anything you conjecture. The fact is that probability tells us that it is unlikely that any two planets will hold exactly the same orbit. I don't need any proof that they are different when common sense tells me that they are unlikely to be sufficiently similar for you to base your timeline on.
Come up with your proof, or any rational justification to ignore probability, because until you do, you have nothing.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to read more interesting things; your passionate attempts to argue things that can't be argued have begun to bore me.
jasowat:
--- Quote from: Exitao on November 23, 2009, 07:13:47 AM ---Come up with your proof, or any rational justification to ignore probability, because until you do, you have nothing.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to read more interesting things; your passionate attempts to argue things that can't be argued have begun to bore me.
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You want a "rational justification to ignore probability"? How about that this is a work of fantasy. It is pretty much common practice in fantasy fiction to assume time runs pretty much the same as our own. JB has no reason to make the measurement of time on Carna any different from our own, espescially without telling us. That would be pretty pointless. When he tells us that a character is a specific age, he expects us to know what that means. I doubt he's sitting at home cackling evilly over all of our misplaced assumptions about his characters' ages. To assume time a year in on Carna is different than a year on earth is just ridiculous in the context of the story.
That is my own "rational justification to ignore probability." No, it has nothing to do with science. Nothing to do with the speed at which the planet rotates, or goes around its sun. Sorry, it's as simple as that.
Shecky:
--- Quote from: Exitao on November 23, 2009, 07:13:47 AM ---What I'm arguing is that you have no rationally justifiable basis upon which to assume that they are the same, and that as such, your "theories" are specious at best and, at worst, a complete waste of my time to read.
The onus is on you to give us a reason why we should accept anything you conjecture. The fact is that probability tells us that it is unlikely that any two planets will hold exactly the same orbit. I don't need any proof that they are different when common sense tells me that they are unlikely to be sufficiently similar for you to base your timeline on.
Come up with your proof, or any rational justification to ignore probability, because until you do, you have nothing.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to read more interesting things; your passionate attempts to argue things that can't be argued have begun to bore me.
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Sorry, but the onus of proof is upon you; Occam's Razor supports the Earth-and-Carna similarity idea, as explained by my previous post about the narrow range of factors required for human habitation. Science tells you that they are VERY likely to be sufficiently similar for all of us to base a timeline on. Now please drop the attitude and join a reasonable discussion.
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