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Order of the blackened Denarius Question.
Katarn:
Everything has more or less been said. The three important things:
*Books are a good canon to use for questions about abilities.
*Fate system is about choices and compels.
*GMs are there to provide a fun and enriching experience.
In the first respect, I would focus on Harry's "choice" to save little Harry from the coin. It was a choice made of free will so it provided the Denarian an opening. It was a conscious choice. I don't think lobbing a coin at someone involves a conscious choice to interact with the coin- if that was the case, why would Nicodemus not lob the coin at a world leader?
Furthermore, the scene probably could've been handled with some compel (for a FP, your character knowingly catches the coin). Having a Denarian spirit should've been an option, not a mandate. Finally, if your GM is that stubborn and railroading AFTER a discussion (he/she may not have fully realized the implications or flaws to their design), just drop the game. There are always other GMs that a more inclined to a more wholesome existence.
Rossbert:
I feel like it is a large kerfuffle about very little.
To start, let us establish some terminology. Pick up the coin is physically touching the thing=shadow, take up the coin is the term for a full on demon partnership/subjugation.
If you caught it, barehanded, you do get the shadow, pretty much no questions asked, but you could have made a pretty good argument against skin contact, I wear long sleeves and even gloves a good bit of the time (it's cold up here) and I'm more likely to get things thrown at me to hit my sleeve or sweatshirt more than my hand. That might be a coordination issue on my part.
The shadow is free. Taking up the coin is what will cost you refresh. In the mean time you get a friend in your head who is (probably) very helpful and will offer all sorts of advice and will you tell all about how the coin, and demon proper, will help you. This sounds like 1. a great place to get fate points 2. a fun narrative to run your character through. Have fun with the temptation of power story you've been offered and if it comes to it, you now (like most templates come with) have a great "going out with a bang" option.
Taran:
--- Quote from: Rossbert on May 16, 2014, 06:43:19 PM ---I feel like it is a large kerfuffle about very little.
To start, let us establish some terminology. Pick up the coin is physically touching the thing=shadow, take up the coin is the term for a full on demon partnership/subjugation.
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This is what I was trying to say in my first post.
--- Quote from: Rossbert on May 16, 2014, 06:43:19 PM ---If you caught it, barehanded, you do get the shadow, pretty much no questions asked, but you could have made a pretty good argument against skin contact, I wear long sleeves and even gloves a good bit of the time (it's cold up here) and I'm more likely to get things thrown at me to hit my sleeve or sweatshirt more than my hand. That might be a coordination issue on my part.
The shadow is free. Taking up the coin is what will cost you refresh. In the mean time you get a friend in your head who is (probably) very helpful and will offer all sorts of advice and will you tell all about how the coin, and demon proper, will help you. This sounds like 1. a great place to get fate points 2. a fun narrative to run your character through. Have fun with the temptation of power story you've been offered and if it comes to it, you now (like most templates come with) have a great "going out with a bang" option.
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I kind of agree, although, I feel it would require an Aspect change...and that's the kind of thing that needs to get discussed before it happens...or, if it doesn't, and he doesn't want the shadow, he could just, maybe, make a declaration saying he was wearing gloves or something. But the GM and the player should be on-board with whatever decision is made.
HumAnnoyd:
A slightly different scenario but what is to prevent a Denarion Demon from torturing a perspective host until the take up a coin? And what would that entail? Would they have to break the subject before the shadow would enter them or would simply putting it in their restrained hand do it?
Haru:
--- Quote from: HumAnnoyd on May 16, 2014, 07:08:00 PM ---A slightly different scenario but what is to prevent a Denarion Demon from torturing a perspective host until the take up a coin? And what would that entail? Would they have to break the subject before the shadow would enter them or would simply putting it in their restrained hand do it?
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There is nothing to prevent a Denarian from forcing himself on a person like that. In fact, Tessa and her posse seem to be doing that on a regular basis, I believe. It just takes a human soul to say "yes" to the fallen angel, because they can't just overpower a human host. How that consent comes to be, however, is completely up to you.
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