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Origins of the Sidhe (High Fae) [CD spoilers]
Mira:
--- Quote from: Aegnoralkarin on May 10, 2014, 10:09:37 PM ---Yes, but as Maeve/Mab/Lea? [TheCuriousFan, TheCuriousFan, TheCuriousFan, I summon thee!] once said, the Fae copycat the mortal world.
But not all Fae are human form. Some take on the shape of elk, lions, goats (ahem!) et cetera.
I'd headcanon Sidhe=human-form Fae, while Fae is just a general term for the creatures one and all of Faerie.
Wraps up those two contradictory seeming WoJs in one fell swoop too!
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Page 326 Cold Days... While yeah, the Fae can present themselves in many forms.. Mother Summer says.
--- Quote ---She gestured at herself. "We appear as humans, do we not? Most of our folk do--or else they resemble another creature of the mortal world. Hounds. birds, stages, and so forth." "Sure I said. "You are endlessly fascinating to us. We conceive our children with mortals."
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aShorty21:
--- Quote from: Mira on May 10, 2014, 03:41:39 AM ---By that definition, since we know the mantle of the Winter Knight and supposedly the Winter Lady as well can warp the mind of the holder. So what's to stop the Council from declaring both Harry and Molly warlocks and try to give them the chop? Well, Mab may have something to say. So it isn't what is done to someone else's mind, but what happens to one's own. Which makes sense and why the White Council has an almost zero tolerance once a young man or woman performs black magic, not matter their intentions. They are declared "warlock," their mind corrupted beyond redemption, and given the chop... The Merlin explains it very patiently and a bit condescendingly to Harry at the beginning of Proven Guilty.
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Wait... Corrupting another's mind is against the Laws of Magic. Having one's own mind corrupted doesn't violate a law. Even if the Mantles twist Harry and Molly into all sorts of crazy, they haven't broken a law until they enter the mind of another without permission. I say there isn't even a gray area to think that simply obtaining the mantle of Winter Knight is a violation of the laws.
Sully:
Besides, the laws govern mortal human wizards. The mantle is part of faerie.
And if you play with fire, well, you're going to get burnt.
You also likely become a cautionary tale to apprentices.
Serack:
Well, I posted my question on the AMA, upvote it if you want it to be answered too... if he's still answering that is.
--- Quote from: Serack on May 07, 2014, 05:30:44 PM ---I have a couple other things that I desperately want to see Jim asked (things I've already seen him answer, just not in public forums), but the one thing I don't know, really want an answer to, and suspect he will actually answer is... (leme try to word this in the most concise way possible...)
--- Quote from: Question for Jim ---You've said on multiple occasions that Mab and all Sidhe got the way they are through a process like former dewdrop faerie Toot-Toot's growth.
You've also said in the books and in interviews that all Fae have mortal origins (mostly in context of changelings).
Could you please reconcile these two apparently contradictory ideas?
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Orbweaver:
--- Quote from: Serack on May 09, 2014, 10:10:49 AM ---Oh, ok, now I get what you point out as speculation. It's relevancy is lost on me though.
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OK, I'll explain as best I can. Note that this is nothing but speculation... but that's all we ever do here anyways. :)
The DF was presumably created by an entity in its universe (and no, we don't know which one did it, though I suspect Jim does :)), existing as what is called a multiverse. The multiverse is presently being fueled by mortal decisions, in which each decision splits off a new branch, creating billions upon billions of new worlds.
But if Ferrovax had that capability at one point, and Ferrovax isn't a free willed being, how did we switch from a non-free willed entity having control over the creationary aspects of the DF to what we have now (i.e. the universe being driven and populated by mortal free-will)?
That's where the origins theory ties in. Both modes of creation are represented in the text: when Mother Winter (who does not have Free Will) imposes her will on reality, it creates a specific set of circumstances that sets boundaries for how things can and cannot exist. Yet when a free-willed being exerts his capabilities on that same reality, it can (but does not always) create a new set of boundaries, in some cases completely reversing the original context by which reality behaves.
So why have the Fae evolved separately from mortals who have free will, yet still retain a link through a tiny piece of mortality?
Because both modes have merit when it comes to doing one thing: creating reality. Mortal free will seems to be a little more potent in terms of its creation, simply due to its nature- it can and does make decisions that often contradict one another, rather than synchronize to a single idea or way of behavior (as we've seen with the majority of non-free willed beings.) The Fae are the only ones we see who have demonstrated the capability to act in both manners- making free willed choices (changelings) and making only a single choice, predicated upon previous modes of existence (those like Mother Winter and presumably Ferrovax.)
The Fae are truly the only beings in the DV who have demonstrated a capability to evolve all three ways, into changelings, Fae, and complete mortals. There's a fluidity (forgive the term, I don't have a better word to hand at the moment) in their base nature that doesn't exist in any other species.
The white court are, perhaps, the closest to the fae (closer than even humanity) as a merger between an immortal demon and a free-willed mortal. But even then, once they have 'chosen' their path, they cannot reverse it. The Fae can and do change theirs, and often, based on their allegiances and current circumstances. Their origins, by the fluidity in their nature, do point to their having emerged from a similar substance as humanity- but not necessarily the same substance.
Can you kind of see where I'm going with this? There's a link between the decision or reality-making capability of an entity, and its origins.
--- Quote --- My theory does not exclude free willed beings causing his power to shift to another being that was already immortal, just that some free willed beings ascended by taking on power like Fero's. It hypothesizes that most of the immortal beings with that kind of power used to be mortal, but explicitly states that there are some that this does not seem to apply to. It also hypothesizes a possible different genesis origin for the being Fero as well.
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Perhaps, but I have to point to creatures like Mab, who despite the ascendency have kept small pieces of their mortality. It would seem to point to the Fae's retained link to humanity being important in terms of their origins, rather than describing the overall scope of the creatures in the DV.
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