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What have Harry's friends endured? [SPOILERS for all books & short stories]
xakko:
--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on January 20, 2014, 08:35:50 AM ---I'll discount everything Murphy suffered in SF and FM out of Harry's guilt account. Murphy got some benefit from Harry's activities back then. Without Harry's professional help, Murphy would have lose her job sooner. The tragedy with the Loop Garu is equally Harry and Murphy's fault, so it cancels out.
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Not sure why you would discount any injuries - it's not the purpose of the thread to lay blame at Harry's feat, but to note what Jim Butcher has put these characters through.
I've added a bunch based on the recent suggestions, though. I'm in the middle of a re-read, but only up to GP, so I'll most likely be throwing other examples on as I go.
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: xakko on January 20, 2014, 10:04:35 PM ---Not sure why you would discount any injuries - it's not the purpose of the thread to lay blame at Harry's feat, but to note what Jim Butcher has put these characters through.
I've added a bunch based on the recent suggestions, though. I'm in the middle of a re-read, but only up to GP, so I'll most likely be throwing other examples on as I go.
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I am thinking what Harry's friends have endured because of him. If you don't limit it to that, you probably can include:
1. Murphy twice divorce and the death of her first husband.
2. Charity being sacrifice to the dragon.
and so on. You get the idea.
If it have to be because of Harry, I'll discount anything that equally benefited Harry's friends like what Murphy enjoys from Harry early in the series. I will also discount anything that is not started by Harry, like what Susan did.
Orbweaver:
--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on January 21, 2014, 01:11:11 AM ---I am thinking what Harry's friends have endured because of him. If you don't limit it to that, you probably can include:
1. Murphy twice divorce and the death of her first husband.
2. Charity being sacrifice to the dragon.
and so on. You get the idea.
If it have to be because of Harry, I'll discount anything that equally benefited Harry's friends like what Murphy enjoys from Harry early in the series. I will also discount anything that is not started by Harry, like what Susan did.
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There were two people involved in the tango that created Maggie...
xakko:
--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on January 21, 2014, 01:11:11 AM ---I am thinking what Harry's friends have endured because of him. If you don't limit it to that, you probably can include:
1. Murphy twice divorce and the death of her first husband.
2. Charity being sacrifice to the dragon.
and so on. You get the idea.
If it have to be because of Harry, I'll discount anything that equally benefited Harry's friends like what Murphy enjoys from Harry early in the series. I will also discount anything that is not started by Harry, like what Susan did.
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both of Murphy's divorces were pre-series, although I will consider the emotional impact of losing her first husband. I'm still not sure Charity counts as a "friend", and again, her rescue from Siriothrax was before the series. I'm making an exception for Elaine's possible enthrallment, though, so I guess I'm being inconsistent.
This is a riff off TCF's thread here: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,30964.msg1311610.html#msg1311610
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: Orbweaver on January 21, 2014, 02:47:32 AM ---There were two people involved in the tango that created Maggie...
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Agreed, Harry, at most, only have to be responsible for half of that horrible mess. Probably less then half, since Susan did not give him the chance to participate in Maggi's failed protection scheme.
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