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Harry's murders of Non-humans! (Cold Days spoilers)

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Seidmadr:

--- Quote from: raidem on November 06, 2013, 06:40:36 PM ---I'll give Harry the benefit of the doubt for one or a few killings of the sidhe that happen in this manner.   But, if it occurs more often, I would say that then it becomes evidence that Harry is walking away from a Right Hand path.

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Harry has never been a squeaky clean guy. He admits it himself, he has terrible rage issues, even before Lash, I mean. That's exactly why he fights monsters. So he can channel his rage into something useful. He enjoys laying down destruction upon his enemies, he isn't proud of it, but that's the guy he is. This is evident throughout the entire series, and even explicit in two speeches he does in White Night, one to Molly and one to Lash.
But he can't always get an outlet like that, and that's when his... dark moments happen. To me, the very worst wasn't Slate, or Susan and definately not the Sidhe. One could make a case for it being the ghouls in New Mexico, but that still happened while he was hopped up on Adrenaline and with recent trauma. No, I think the darkest is what he did to Cassius. That was deliberate cruelty. Cold blooded torture.

It isn't easy to just split it into good and evil. He tries to do good, because he enjoys being evil.
Which is why he is such an interesting character. If he had been able to stay on the straight-and-narrow, he wouldn't have been as fun to follow.

Mira:

--- Quote ---It isn't easy to just split it into good and evil. He tries to do good, because he enjoys being evil.
Which is why he is such an interesting character. If he had been able to stay on the straight-and-narrow, he wouldn't have been as fun to follow.
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  I don't see Harry enjoying doing evil in any sense of the word.

NickelobLight:
I saw that as self-preservation. Harry already compared the party to 'the first day in the prison yard' or words to that effect. What happens in prison? The strong inmates, (sidhe nobles or what-have-you), take a look at the new guy/girl & size him/her up. They look for weakness so they can prey on him/her.

Now look at it from Harry's perspective. He's a mortal (albeit a very powerful one), who's come into their world. Mortals are already prey to the sidhe. Couple that with the fact that many of them probably already have strong feelings for Harry due to his past deeds. If they can challenge/hurt Harry, they're basically doing the same to Mab through a proxy, probably without consequence. And who wouldn't want to be able to take a shot at the boss without fear of reprisal? Finally, he's backed them into a corner.

So it's like this. Harry walks in. Every head in the place turns to him. He's a well-known defender of humanity. One of the badder gangs there takes measure of him by hurting his escort, (the only other human in the place). He destroys the one, & tells the rest he'll happily do the same to them. He immediately gets challenged. If he had done anything else, he's painting the word 'victim' with a capital "V" on his forehead, & somebody in the court WOULD be taking a shot at him faster than you can say 'flicum bicus'. The ONLY option Harry had, in order to not be dead (again) during his first official Winter Court public appearance, was to take out that sidhe noble quickly & gruesomely.

Hollorr:

--- Quote from: NickelobLight on November 07, 2013, 01:23:47 AM ---I saw that as self-preservation. Harry already compared the party to 'the first day in the prison yard' or words to that effect. What happens in prison? The strong inmates, (sidhe nobles or what-have-you), take a look at the new guy/girl & size him/her up. They look for weakness so they can prey on him/her.

Now look at it from Harry's perspective. He's a mortal (albeit a very powerful one), who's come into their world. Mortals are already prey to the sidhe. Couple that with the fact that many of them probably already have strong feelings for Harry due to his past deeds. If they can challenge/hurt Harry, they're basically doing the same to Mab through a proxy, probably without consequence. And who wouldn't want to be able to take a shot at the boss without fear of reprisal? Finally, he's backed them into a corner.

So it's like this. Harry walks in. Every head in the place turns to him. He's a well-known defender of humanity. One of the badder gangs there takes measure of him by hurting his escort, (the only other human in the place). He destroys the one, & tells the rest he'll happily do the same to them. He immediately gets challenged. If he had done anything else, he's painting the word 'victim' with a capital "V" on his forehead, & somebody in the court WOULD be taking a shot at him faster than you can say 'flicum bicus'. The ONLY option Harry had, in order to not be dead (again) during his first official Winter Court public appearance, was to take out that sidhe noble quickly & gruesomely.

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yep that seems to be right on the mark. though the original question was  why hasn't anyone called harry on it..on straight murder of a sidhe character which is what harry did.
I think the reason I didn't call him out on it because, It's a side of harry I have seen before on previous books and it didn't bothered me because the book was fiction and the sidhe was some random person that was ment to be a red shirt person.
Harry is like deadpool...a anti hero who isn't block by killing people.
It's kind of like the new arrow show.

as I read the book I know harry isn't a nice guy but neither is he a evil one...he's just some random fool trying to survive in a world filled with monsters and sometime to stop monster you have to become one or die before you become a monster.

yay I think I used my allusion right...well I hope so.

Shecky:
Quick reminder, folks: Some of the interaction here is edging away from simple discussion and starting to heave into sight of interpersonal conflict. If you're feeling testy and think something's aimed personally at you, take a break and come back to it later once you've calmed down. Or if you can't do that, just don't come back to the thread that's setting you off.

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