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Skin Game Predict-a-thon. [All the latest Spoilers permitted and encouraged]
Fangz:
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus. What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
It's probably actually a trick: he's trying to entrap Harry, to get an edge on Mab, and perhaps the keys to Demonreach. But to be convincing to Harry, he'd probably say something dramatic, like, oh, the soul of Judas Iscariot, or something.
2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team. Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request? Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
He knew Dresden would be sent. He needs Dresden to diiiiieeeee...
3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven". Who else did Nicodemus recruit? How will they interact with Harry?
Gang of newcomer mortals who have no idea what they are getting into (probably toting coins, but not yet full denarians), to weaken and distract Harry. Shagnasty the skinwalker in disguise?
4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help. In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew. Who will it be? Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over? 9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question.
We already know Murphy is in it. Molly and Sanya will probably get involved.
5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present. In fact, there have been various hints... Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Sanya, Michael out for one last job.
6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist. In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve. What are Mab's reasons in this book? Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
Mab owes Nic one, and Mab always answer her debts. Probably that simple, really. Mab distrusts Nic and suspects Nemesis infection, so sending Harry is one way to be sure - and to deal with it, if necessary. Mab also has possibly made a promise to the parasite to protect it, so maybe this is a way to get around this deal by some kind of quantum faeconomics.
7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay. The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book. Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
Molly eats it.
8. One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal. Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross. What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
Shagnasty reappears and has his own agenda. Demonreach suffers a partial prison break. Something very nasty is released. Molly will have to accept her power to prevent total destruction.
9. (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others. Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
MacAnally is Merlin.
Karrin Murphy is infected with Nemesis.
10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book. Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven? The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want. Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.
*Why* Mab owes Nicodemus one will be a big deal in the book.
We might get some hints about why Mab and Titania had their falling out.
Nicodemus will die a heroic death.
NotSoBoredReader:
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus. What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
Well first off he is trying to get his hands on a christian artifact, because that seems to be where the denarians get their power from and where they are able to cause the most corruption. Main example being the shroud. Most likely he is after the holy grail because it would make a powerful focus in a spell if it contained the blood on an innocent. That and it probably has loads of other useful possibilities.
Nick is after a certain item, but once he gets into the vault hes going to grab everything that's not nailed to the floor.
2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team. Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request? Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
He has a specific plan for harry which he is vital for, most likely it involves harry using soulfire. He has a secondary plan for when harry has outlived his usefulness. He doesn't directly try to kill harry, but puts him in a situation in which he will most likely perish. He has to do it this way because otherwise he cant kill harry without incurring Mabs wrath. Nick wants harry dead hes become far to much trouble to let live.
3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven". Who else did Nicodemus recruit? How will they interact with Harry?
-Mavra - amused and condescending
-The skin walker from turn coat - openly aggressive and will mention feasting upon him at last once.
- other denarians - like denarians so crazy
-eldest gruff - warm and friendly
-fix -more openly hostile than everyone else
I don't believe there will be many to the team, mainly because this is a heist not an invasion.
4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help. In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew. Who will it be? Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over?
I would like to say it is Kincaid because he proved in turn coat that he can take out denarians more easily than Harry can. Also if we want to get technical about it, he still owe harry a solid, because he didn't successfully kill the winter knight. If harry has to fight his way out of a group of denarians Kincaid would be the person to have at his back. Also I think there is some early references to him being like part demon or something so that would help in the underworld.
5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present. In fact, there have been various hints... Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Sanya will turn up and die, but before he dies he will fight beside an angel and gain faith which will make him more powerful and let him go out in a blaze of glory. also the angel will reefer to his as the troublesome child.
Murphy will turn up but when she goes to try weld the sword it will burn her. The sword will burn her because she has changed she isnt the fundamentally good person she used to be. shown by her attempt to take violent action against the kids in Ghost story. The knights job is to save the denarians not to kill them. Murphy is all about the killing these days.
Michael comes along and picks up the sword Murphy drops, but doesnt draw it. Michael shows on multiple occasions that his faith is his greatest power. He is simply going to pray and evil will flee before him. I believe he is capable of this because in turn coat he removes the mental block (MAB) puts in place with prayer. Also by not actually drawing the sword he doesn't come out of retirement so he still has the extra protection from the supernatural.
6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist. In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve. What are Mab's reasons in this book? Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
Mab owes uriel a favor so she is helping Nick to to settle her debt with him she is double crossing him to settle her debt with uriel and she is getting the item for herself because that's just what mab does.
7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay. The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book. Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
The headaches are cause by lash who is infected by the outsiders. All of the denarians angels are infected that's why they fell from grace in the first place. unlike weaker beings, they still retain most of their self control except lash was injured and the outsider took over. So now harry has an outside crontrolled lash in his head. This is also why lash changed, not because harry gave her a name but because she was infected with an outsider and that allowed her to change and go against her purpose.
To fix the problem Harry will pick up the coin allowing the shadow of lash to be fully restored, then maybe molly or someone gets her out.
8. One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal. Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross. What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
Murphy will die because I don't like Murphy which I know will upset loads of people. The entire heist is just a diversion to keep harry occupied while he does something in Chicago. Harry will realize hes been trick actually steal the item which was his wild goose chase and use it against nick.
9. (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others. Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
Little Harry is Arthur reborn and Maggie is his Merlin. Little Harry and Maggie both have magic which will be proven by them having mental conversations like harry used to when he was younger. both Little Harry and Maggie will wield swords and they will be the greatest knights ever. but you will only find out they have magic this book.
Murphy is infected with an outsider and has been for awhile. I believe this because Murphy is all about justice and the right thing except she sleeps with kincaid a rather likable but evil dude. This show a conflict of character, and her threatening to take out the kids in GS and her not trusting Harry and her constant abuse of pills and booze and the fact that her mind has been messed with quite a few times.
Harry has gained the ability to talk to ghost since he was one in ghost story.
10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book. Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven? The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want. Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.
Harry will sing johnny cash
" I fell in to a burning ring of fire"
After leaving Mab and talking to Nick harry will go to burger king cause he hasn't been in a year. He will most likely quote tony stark at this stage. "there are two things i want to do" blah blah blah and an american cheese burger.
I think you will get to see some more of the faces of Mab and santa and oden. meaning the greek gods will turn out to be them in another form
NickelobLight:
1. Gabriel's trumpet. Nic is going to try to bring about the apocalypse as directly as possible.
2. To get Harry to release a specific prisoner. Maybe a Titan.
3. Denarians, a rakoshi, (Hindu mythology, they were mentioned in GS).
4. Either Elaine or Ebeneezer. It'll be someone out of left field, (like how the first person to see Harry alive was someone almost nobody expected, Andi).
5. Nothing tricky. It'll be Sanya, who saves Harry somehow. Daniel shows up with a sword too, & do something stupid.
6. Simple. She wants to get some getback for Arctis Tor.
7. Well, I think the obvious answer is that the parasite is responsible for the headaches. It'll be dealt with somehow out of left field. Maybe, since it's in Harry's brain, it needs intellect. It'll get transferred over to Bob somehow, who can handle it since he has so much more intellect, (he's in fact, nothing but intellect), that the parasite can feed off of him for eternity.
8. Harry will stay behind in the labyrinth in order to save someone.
9. WAG-we'll learn that Lea is directly related to Harry.
10. One sword will get unmade. My guess is the sword of faith. Daniel will do something stupid with it.
raidem:
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus. What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
Holy Grail (Chalice) and/or Denarian coins;
Location amended for updated hint: We now have a hint that prior to entering the NeverNevers highest security vault Nicodemus and friends must first break into Chicago's most secure vault. I guess that it is the Federal Reserve Building in Chicago. This would be the bank which Marcone utilizes to secure his belongings. One must wonder what does he keep there. Perhaps one item is Thorned Namshiel denarian aka Spiny Boy's coin.
2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team. Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request? Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
Nicodemus either needs access to power from Winter and/or Soulfire in the attempt to break into the vault. He may also need access to Demonreach island to access the underworld. Nic hopes that Harry will kill some team members that have a Nemesis connection. With Harry's brush with death, he is now a fulcrum for the underworld in addition to the Living.
3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven". Who else did Nicodemus recruit? How will they interact with Harry? Naagloshii, Shapeshifter, Denarians, Churchmice, BC Vampire. Some will attempt to kill Harry. One may assist him. Most of the murder attempts will be in passing, trying to get Harry killed by protections on the vault, etc.
4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help. In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew. Who will it be? Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over? 9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question. (edit: Sort of) Those that guessed what he said in that interview (at least partially) have been logged by the curators, but this will probably go down as some kind of extra credit or something, so keep Predictin! (edit: And things might not be binary simple...)-Serack
Well, we already know Harry is choosing Murphy. I think Molly, Sarissa, Fix, Thomas, Mouse will assist Harry near the end. Maybe we will even see Cat Sith again.
5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present. In fact, there have been various hints... Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
Sanya, Murphy, Daniel. Team Heaven will win one with one of the Knights convincing a Host to give up their coin.
6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist. In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve. What are Mab's reasons in this book? Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
Strike at Nicodemus for violating the Accords in Small Favor. Assist Anduriel in getting rid of Nicodemus and/or obtaining another Host.
7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay. The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book. Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?
A combination of primarily Lash but she is tainted with Outsider infection when she took the bullet for Harry. Harry's continued use of Soulfire is empowering the Lash essence, helping it grow but also getting it to cause more harmful headaches et cetera. She will find a home in a certain Nickle Harry finds placed somewhere in by Odin.
8. One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal. Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross. What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
Harry fails. Molly, Sarissa save the day. Nicodemus will violate the agreement he made with Mab when she negotiated an explicit truce until such time that the mission is complete. Mab will pitch in an assist.
9. (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others. Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.
1) Ferro banks at Hades vault.
2) Cerberus likes Harry (senses Mouse)
3) Underworld is using Harry to amputate Nemesis infection
10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book. Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven? The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want. Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.
Merlin wants to carry out Doom on Harry, for Molly's abuse of the Laws. WC concedes they can't bring Molly to justice but will try with Harry. Molly and/or Mab might have a problem with that.
Harry promises Michael that he will save Molly from Winter Mantle at some point.
ellarite:
1. We have been told that Nicodemus has a very specific target in mind, ostensibly kept in the Labyrinth of Daedalus. What is Nic trying to get his hands on and why?
- He’s after the shroud of turin. He believes that Marcone has built a new labyrinth in Italy and had the shroud placed in it.
- He needs it to activate another type of curse plague.
2. Nicodemus apparently called in a marker from Mab to get Harry on the team. Does he have a specific plan for using Harry or did Mab twist his request? Which of Harry's capabilities will he admit to needing, and (given that this is Nicodemus after all), which abilities is he scheming for Harry to use?
- He plans to force Harry to play on his team. That way, he can have some type of control over Harry. If Harry has to work for Nic, then he is forbidden from working against him.
- I don’t think that he needs Harry for any specific skill. He’s going to use Harry as a shield to prevent Harry’s friends from attacking his team.
3. Jim has mentioned that the book will be "Ocean's Eleven". Who else did Nicodemus recruit? How will they interact with Harry?
- Nic recruited his daughter: Deidre. (sp)
- He may also use the Vagassi Family (sp: I think they had issues with Marcone in the past.)
- I’m going to throw in Ms. Demeter as well. (I think that he’ll convince her that her daughter is alive and the shroud would save her.)
- Lara Raith and the White Court of Vampires (to keep Harry from using Thomas)
4. Harry's general method of operation is to call on his friends for help. In this book, Harry is (initially) allowed one extra backup member on the crew. Who will it be? Which of Harry's other allies will "interfere" before the plot is over? 9/10/13 an interview was published that answers the first half of this question. (edit: Sort of) Those that guessed what he said in that interview (at least partially) have been logged by the curators, but this will probably go down as some kind of extra credit or something, so keep Predictin! (edit: And things might not be binary simple...)-Serack-
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Harry hired Kincaid as his assistant. However, Ivy will interfere before the end of the plot.
5. This is a Denarian book, so (unlike the last "end of the world" showdown), the Swords will almost certainly be present. In fact, there have been various hints... Which Sword wielders will appear in the next book and how will their interference/help affect the plot?
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- Sanya, Murphy and Michael.
- Michael and Murphy may have trust issues when it comes to Harry. However, Sanya will convince them that they need to support Harry.
- 6. Mab is apparently against Nicodemus succeeding in this heist. In the Cold Days, we found that Mab had complex reasons for wanting Harry to kill Maeve. What are Mab's reasons in this book? Is it simple thwarting or is there something deeper?
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- Mab is using Harry. She’s going to swoop in later and help save the day, thereby indebting both the white council and the sword weilders (Catholic church) to her for later use when she needs it.
7. At the end of Cold Days, Harry needs to stay on the island to keep his growing headaches at bay. The start of Skin Games implies that those headaches will need to be resolved by the end of the book. Who or what is causing those headaches, and how will the whole thing get resolved by the end of the book?-
- I think that it’s a shadow of Lash that’s causing the headaches. I think that Harry will get stabbed by one of the swords which would release (kill) her shadow and clear his head.
8. One of the key components of the "Ocean's Eleven" movie is that there is a final twist/reveal. Given that we've got Nicodemus, Harry, Mab, and potentially Hades (and who knows who else) all trying to get the better of each other, if there's one thing you can count on it's some sort of last minute quintuple-cross. What will be the nature of the twist and how will it all fall out?
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- The triple cross would be performed by Mab herself. Once Nic obtains the shroud and tries to kill Harry (Winter Knight) Mab would see it as an act of war. She would then send in the Sidhe Army to help neutralize Nic.
9. (Extra Credit) There are many WAG ("Wild A$$ Guess") theories on the boards, some crazier than others. Write up to three WAG theories (or make up your own) you believe are correct that will be confirmed (or at least have evidence in favor of) in Skin Games.-
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1) Charity Carpenter will help Nic because she wants Harry dead for what happened to Molly. She will act out of vengeance and pain. Nic will make her believe that he can kill Harry and return Molly home.
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- 2) Uriel will appear with a group of angels to help defeat Nic and his crew.
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- 3) The whole heist is a red – herring. The real mission of Nic is to trap Marcone and take over his business as revenge for denying him access to the shroud in the first place.
10. (Extra Credit) This is that "free form" question where you can come up with anything else you think will be in this book. Specific quotes Harry might say (will he actually quote Ocean's Eleven? The movie will have come out already in Harry's timeline)? Tidbits about the White Council? The fate of Molly? Write down anything you want. Note that whatever you write must be specifically mentioned or hinted at in Skin Games in order to be worth credit.
1) Harry will make a comment about going down a rabbit hole.
2) Harry will tell Hades that he’s “taller than he is on tv.”
3) Harry will turn to Deidre and say, “love the hair.”
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