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Morts secret, hallows and Mantles, Series spoilers.
wizard nelson:
OK, simplify... Living human memory(though probably skewed)of the DH aftermath + gathering the ghosts, magic and ergo memory of those who died in event= Thaumaturgical connection between them, solidifing the Mantle in existence. IDK about one point though, does his Mantle make him immortal or is it his command of Necropower? Theoretically just because you create or possess a Mantle doesn't make you immortal. Harry isn't, Hercules apparently wasn't, not all Mantles are immortals. Could be just what Mab says iirc, the power of a god weilded by Mortals for the first time, meaning free will, plus limits on the immortality.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: wizard nelson on May 12, 2013, 12:23:56 AM ---Ah, your overlooking the incident I'm talking about, GS pg... 46? Right ofter Harry sinks into him, Mort calls all the guardian spirits at once increase his raw physical strength and probably willpower. They discuss it after and Mort says its sorta the opposite of an exorcism.
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We've got an example of consuming spirits and an example of borrowing spirits. I don't know why you're relating a consuming spirits process, like the Darkhallow, to a borrowing spirits process, like Mort's "reverse-exorcism". It seems easier to compare Harry's spirit consumption process to the Darkhallow consumption process.
--- Quote ---I tried to explain about the Mantle. Mantles WOJ are a living memory, ergo requiring human knowledge, The deaths are an event horizon, after their lives and Memory are magic they get wrapped up and weaved around the Mantle. I believe human death, on a large scale creates a significant enough impression to form a mantle around.
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Sorry, I'm not that familiar with that WoJ. And I'm not sure we know enough about the creation of mantles to know how they are created. I imagine there are multiple ways to create a mantle, but I imagine most exist on their own without the need to be created. I think I remember a WoJ that folks can Ascend to demi-god status through a Darkhallow, but I'm not convinced (yet) that they are truly Immortal, in the sense that a Mantle would survive their death. If Mab dies, someone else becomes the Winter Queen. If Cowl had Ascended with the Darkhallow, but not obsorbed the Erlking mantle, then I'm not convinced he'd have an Immortal mantle.
wizard nelson:
--- Quote ---We've got an example of consuming spirits and an example of borrowing spirits. I don't know why you're relating a consuming spirits process, like the Darkhallow, to a borrowing spirits process, like Mort's "reverse-exorcism". It seems easier to compare Harry's spirit consumption process to the Darkhallow consumption process.
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*Smacks head* Hence the adding of the evil tearing bit in my explanation. The similarity is gathering and holding of spiritual energy, specifically by excerting command to gather them. The important aspect is the commanding of them is a particular spell, an inverted exorcism. I'd WAG Kemmler started as a lowly ectomancer.
--- Quote ---Sorry, I'm not that familiar with that WoJ.
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Its in the KC signing, in the stickies.
--- Quote ---they are truly Immortal, in the sense that a Mantle would survive their death.
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I think creating a Mantle is easier than Immortality. From my reckoning, if say Molly was killed, she's immortal as the WL, Not only would the WL remanifest but>
wizard nelson:
She would still be Molly, albeit slightly worn, underneath. Compare that with say Hercules who was never known as an immortal dies.(or the fey knights) WOJ is he left a Mantle, So whats different about the Mantles?
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: wizard nelson on May 12, 2013, 06:59:00 AM ---Its in the KC signing, in the stickies.
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--- Quote ---*unintelligible question but you should be able to work out what it was*
Oh, am I going to explore where the mantles came from? Um, we’ll have to as we go on, in terms of, to a certain degree, some of them have always been there. If we're talking about mantles in There’s all kinds of them. It’s not just Faerie, they’re all over the place. There are still mantles hanging around from Greek times. Greco-Roman mythology, **unintelligible** mythology. The gods are also around, in one form or another, most of them are around. Some of them got themselves killed. Because lets face it, some of those guys were idiots.
And I mean, you go back there and read, and it’s like, how could you possibly have survived that? The answer in the Dresden Files is that they didn't. They *unintelligible* up til they died. Sorry, Hercules, you can only go slamming your head into walls for so long. And if your mantle passed on to The Hulk, it sort of exists in people’s minds and imaginations now.
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Only the ones that have passed on to things like The Hulk.
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