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hollow49:

--- Quote from: Slife on July 19, 2007, 11:06:12 PM ---If I had a character who wanted to do this, I could make a huge legal argument about the difference between enthralling and using magic on the mind.  The examples given seem like they could be transferred just as easily to surgery, with any instance of compulsions changed to "chainsaw". 

Surgery is bad because treating cancer by cutting it out with a chainsaw kills people.  You'll sever arteries and break bones, leaving your patient a crippled, bleeding mass on the operating room table.

There's also the gray area of removing a compulsion. 

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The real problem with that analogy is that without practise and training, you aren't going to become a skilled surgeon, and you wouldn't want to make the attempt without suitable equipment. But there's no way to practise mental surgery on dead bodies or fakes like one does in surgical training, and (because of this) there isn't any tradition or practise with the level of skill to train others in this. (After all, that kind of knowledge hass to ultimately come from practical experience at some point in the past...) And without experience or training, to extend the metaphor, attempting surgery with crude unsterilised equipment isn't something you'd want to risk - the comparison isn't quite as blatent as your chainsaws, but is certainly far from safe and probably often fatal.

Slife:

--- Quote from: hollow49 on July 20, 2007, 12:46:14 AM ---The real problem with that analogy is that without practise and training, you aren't going to become a skilled surgeon, and you wouldn't want to make the attempt without suitable equipment. But there's no way to practise mental surgery on dead bodies or fakes like one does in surgical training, and (because of this) there isn't any tradition or practise with the level of skill to train others in this. (After all, that kind of knowledge hass to ultimately come from practical experience at some point in the past...) And without experience or training, to extend the metaphor, attempting surgery with crude unsterilised equipment isn't something you'd want to risk - the comparison isn't quite as blatent as your chainsaws, but is certainly far from safe and probably often fatal.

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Animals have minds.  So do vampires, ghouls, fairies, air spirits trapped in skulls, and all manner of non-humans.

NevynK:
Hmmm make my dogs afraid of my hamster ::). I see promise :P

Beamer:

--- Quote from: Slife on July 20, 2007, 01:03:26 AM ---Animals have minds.  So do vampires, ghouls, fairies, air spirits trapped in skulls, and all manner of non-humans.

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I doubt that the mind of a non-human works the same way.
To extend this metaphor do you want a Vet preforming brain surgery

Rel Fexive:
Exactly.  Practising on animals and then applying what you've learned to people would probably only make things even worse.  Non-corporeal spirits would be too different.  Creatures of the NeverNever, equally so.

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