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Proof that Time Travel Harry did not fix Little Chicago?? (CD Spoilers)
Ms Duck:
no, in a stable time loop the event creates itself.
TT Harry fixed LC -> Harry Time travels - > TT harry fixes LC
and I don't believe that possible because it violates conservation :)
its often called the ontological paradox.
King Ash:
--- Quote from: Hollorr on February 14, 2013, 12:45:15 AM ---@Griffyn--son of a (expletive expletive expletive). You're right. About 2 seconds after I got the reasoning of your argument about the energy at DR being an interaction with its wards I forgot it when replying to Hollorr. Since I do not currently have dementia, my only excuse is that the temporal echoes thing from an altered timeline makes so much intuitive sense to me it creeps back in when it shouldnt. My bad.
AWWW thanks Griffyn...just when someone says good point..../cry....lol
Anyway both Ms.duck and a few people are hung up about the free will taken away by time traveling...okay there was this movie my grandmother has and I can't remeber the name...I will try to find the name of it, but the whole point of the movie is about a group of archaeology people of medieval times...they go back in time to go save the main toon father from death...but anyway at the very end of the movie, they are heading back to their time in the middle of the battle and 1 stays..he makes a choice to stay behind and it doesn't affect the past or future because it's already happen.....same thing if harry choose to go back in time because of some reason. Harry in the future makes an choice to go back..key point Harry could or won't go back in time at that time he could make a choice...He could for say no and then, well die if the TTH is true but he could say yes of his own free will...I Just don't see harry going back to just save himself...maybe someone else yes but not just going to save his own hide.
IF the TTH is true there must be alot more story then that.
or as someone said a few post ago, it could be a harry from another timeline/ is trying to save himself in another time...kind of like how the Chronicles of Nick series alot of people are saying is what is happening in the series so...anyway sorry for the long post.
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Michael Crighton's Timeline?
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: King Ash on February 14, 2013, 03:48:37 AM ---Michael Crighton's Timeline?
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Ugh, I didn't like that movie. The book was decent, but nowhere near his best.
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on February 14, 2013, 03:42:35 AM ---no, in a stable time loop the event creates itself.
TT Harry fixed LC -> Harry Time travels - > TT harry fixes LC
and I don't believe that possible because it violates conservation :)
its often called the ontological paradox.
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But you're still arguing that what Merlin did in the Dresdenverse is impossible in the Dresdenverse.
On a related note, my current thinking is that time in the Dresdenverse is a wheel. The only reason for thinking that is because of the use of FIVE points of time, like the five points of the pentacle used in both Merlin and Harry's magic. Bob showed a representation of Merlin appearing 5 times in linear fashion to cast the wards, but said that all of them were cast just once in the 5 times. I think the reason that the number is 5 is because they form a temporal pentacle. But to do that, time would have to be either a wheel, or a spiral.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 14, 2013, 04:07:57 AM ---Ugh, I didn't like that movie. The book was decent, but nowhere near his best.
But you're still arguing that what Merlin did in the Dresdenverse is impossible in the Dresdenverse.
On a related note, my current thinking is that time in the Dresdenverse is a wheel. The only reason for thinking that is because of the use of FIVE points of time, like the five points of the pentacle used in both Merlin and Harry's magic. Bob showed a representation of Merlin appearing 5 times in linear fashion to cast the wards, but said that all of them were cast just once in the 5 times. I think the reason that the number is 5 is because they form a temporal pentacle. But to do that, time would have to be either a wheel, or a spiral.
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No, im not:
because
A: its not a time loop
B: it may not even be time travel
C: we have no frickin idea how it was done
D: a greater god was very likely involved
Hex:
--- Quote ---Bob: He built it once. In five different times. All at the same time.
Harry: Uh. He was in the same place, doing the same thing, in five different times at once?
Bob: Exactly.
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--- later in the conversation----
--- Quote ---Bob: Look, a mortal jail is built in three dimensions, right? Merlin built this one in four, and probably several more, though you can't really tell whether or not he built it in a given dimension until you go there and measure it.
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Is it possible Merlin wasn't just in 3 or 4 dimensions when he built DR?
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