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Proof that Time Travel Harry did not fix Little Chicago?? (CD Spoilers)
Elegast:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on February 14, 2013, 12:11:27 AM ---One of the hardest parts of this sort of discussion is that I can trivially think in four spatial dimensions and do five if I push it; it's very useful for complex database design. But finding good words for how that looks inside my head has been balking me for decades.
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http://mathoverflow.net/questions/25983/intuitive-crutches-for-higher-dimensional-thinking
Hollorr:
@Griffyn--son of a (expletive expletive expletive). You're right. About 2 seconds after I got the reasoning of your argument about the energy at DR being an interaction with its wards I forgot it when replying to Hollorr. Since I do not currently have dementia, my only excuse is that the temporal echoes thing from an altered timeline makes so much intuitive sense to me it creeps back in when it shouldnt. My bad.
AWWW thanks Griffyn...just when someone says good point..../cry....lol
Anyway both Ms.duck and a few people are hung up about the free will taken away by time traveling...okay there was this movie my grandmother has and I can't remeber the name...I will try to find the name of it, but the whole point of the movie is about a group of archaeology people of medieval times...they go back in time to go save the main toon father from death...but anyway at the very end of the movie, they are heading back to their time in the middle of the battle and 1 stays..he makes a choice to stay behind and it doesn't affect the past or future because it's already happen.....same thing if harry choose to go back in time because of some reason. Harry in the future makes an choice to go back..key point Harry could or won't go back in time at that time he could make a choice...He could for say no and then, well die if the TTH is true but he could say yes of his own free will...I Just don't see harry going back to just save himself...maybe someone else yes but not just going to save his own hide.
IF the TTH is true there must be alot more story then that.
or as someone said a few post ago, it could be a harry from another timeline/ is trying to save himself in another time...kind of like how the Chronicles of Nick series alot of people are saying is what is happening in the series so...anyway sorry for the long post.
Elegast:
Using Tao's technic:
--- Quote from: Terry Tao ---I can't help you much with high-dimensional topology - it's not my field, and I've not picked up the various tricks topologists use to get a grip on the subject - but when dealing with the geometry of high-dimensional (or infinite-dimensional) vector spaces such as R^n, there are plenty of ways to conceptualise these spaces that do not require visualising more than three dimensions directly. For instance, one can view a high-dimensional vector space as a state space for a system with many degrees of freedom. A megapixel image, for instance, is a point in a million-dimensional vector space; by varying the image, one can explore the space, and various subsets of this space correspond to various classes of images.
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The first three cubes are the usual dimensions.
Then Gryffin suggests that time doesn't exist. He proposes two additional dimensions, represented by the two cubes on the second line.
Time is then a path we are forced to follow in those two dimensions. That path could loop on itself.
Hope that helps.
Post edited as my first version was incorrect.
Ms Duck:
For what its worth, I understand the theory, Im just not buying it :)
the idea that objects can create themselves bothers me, the free will bothers, the power requirements bothers me..
heck, zombies bother me.
time zombies.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/AllYouZombies
there, now you can all share my pain.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Elegast on February 14, 2013, 12:46:57 AM ---Using Tao's technic:
The first three cubes are the usual dimensions.
Then Gryffin suggests that time doesn't exist. He proposes two additional dimensions, represented by the two cubes on the second line.
Time is then a path we are forced to follow in those two dimensions. That path could loop on itself.
Hope that helps.
Post edited as my first version was incorrect.
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Not to completely confuse things, and I know there are a multitude of ideas on how many and in what fashion dimensions exist. Here are 3 spacial dimensions and 3 temporal dimensions, as I see them.
Here Directions
1a) Ahead
1b) Behind
2a) Aside
2b) Beside
3a) Above
3b) Below
Now Directions
A1) What was
A2) What will be
B1) What wasn't
B2) What won't be
C1) What couldn't be
C2) What can't be
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on February 14, 2013, 03:21:38 AM ---For what its worth, I understand the theory, Im just not buying it :)
the idea that objects can create themselves bothers me, the free will bothers, the power requirements bothers me..
heck, zombies bother me.
time zombies.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/AllYouZombies
there, now you can all share my pain.
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Technically, there are two points for any location. There is Here, and there is Now. All I'm suggesting is that one Here (Demonreach) be linked to two Nows (PG and FutureTime). Clearly Merlin was able to arrange it once, so the power requirements are manageable. I don't understand your concern about objects creating themselves. That's based on your time machine example, not the DR temporalBridgePocketDimension example. Nothing creates itself.
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