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The Gatekeeper fixed LC and other PG musings [spoilers up to CD]
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on February 12, 2013, 10:56:19 PM ---that's not the result. the result is :
Harry becomes warden of DR
Mab lays a trap for her enemies
kills many of their agents lose on earth
makes Molly new winter lady
you are mistaking the first two moves for the endgame. When Mab plays chess, she plays fricken chess. ;D
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- I don't see PG leading to Harry becoming Warden of DR. That's more along the lines of your TC theory.
- I don't know what trap Mab laid for her enemies in PG. They came after Lea, and caused havok at AT, but she still doesn't seem sure which Fallen was involved, so I'm not sure how much intel she got from it.
- She didn't kill any agents on earth in PG. Unless you're talking about any that fell in the attack at AT. But we don't know if the bad guys took any casualties. The only remains spotted were those of Winter creatures.
- It lays the foundation for a connection between Molly and Winter. But Molly was apparently always a backup backup. That seems like a lot of effort for a second pinch hitter. If Mab knew of Maeve's infection in PG, then I can see her deciding a new backup may be needed. But it doesn't explain why she didn't do to Maeve what she did to Lea.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 12, 2013, 11:02:30 PM --- - I don't see PG leading to Harry becoming Warden of DR. That's more along the lines of your TC theory.
- I don't know what trap Mab laid for her enemies in PG. They came after Lea, and caused havok at AT, but she still doesn't seem sure which Fallen was involved, so I'm not sure how much intel she got from it.
- She didn't kill any agents on earth in PG. Unless you're talking about any that fell in the attack at AT. But we don't know if the bad guys took any casualties. The only remains spotted were those of Winter creatures.
- It lays the foundation for a connection between Molly and Winter. But Molly was apparently always a backup backup. That seems like a lot of effort for a second pinch hitter. If Mab knew of Maeve's infection in PG, then I can see her deciding a new backup may be needed. But it doesn't explain why she didn't do to Maeve what she did to Lea.
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the PG theory and the TC theory, im my opinion, are all one thing. Its A+ B +C= type stuff, anditkinda paid outinCDlikemadmuttermutter
the trap is the one she sprang in CD, end of.
where she took a trap they laid for her and inverted it to pin her enemies between a rock (DR) and a hard place ( Odin and the Erlking)
;D
wizard nelson:
@wyltok
1 ummm...... damn! uhh... yea your right. i looked thinking to find the quote, now why did i think that? Mmmm...
2 yea but not necessarily the i see the future kind. like duck i opt for the "I am mab! i've thought of everything fool!" answer along the lines of sun tzu kinda gathered intelligence. mabs just good like that, its her job.
3 i assume that was so you'd understand rashids msg and how it worked? rashid knowing to hit harry to divert him is a little iffy though. how can you get that msg across in a vague way(as i believe future GK MUST be to not screw with the timeline). i mean "harry gets into a car wreck at precisely 2:45" is too informativ. i suppose rashid steal a car to tail harry and keep on the lookout and was driving it when future rashid sends back a description of the same car he's driving. viola 2+2=4 rashid realises he must hit harry because he's driving the car that does it. yes i know i'm supporting your idea now :P and my ps3 will cut this off soon so 4 willbenextpost
wizard nelson:
--- Quote ---TTH side note: How ironic (read: foreshadowing) would it be if Bob gave the 'stole a car' example about time-travel, and then Harry ended up time-traveling back to PG and had to steal that old chrysler to hit himself to make sure he didn't use LilC pre-maturely?
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THAT is great butcher forshadowing. it jives right with me.
4 kinda yea. the only event in the future that would give rashid all the pertainent info needed would be harry dying. i don't see any other reason rashid could know about LC, or that it had a fatal flaw in the future except this event. thats really meddling in time there.
wizard nelson:
not to retcon on things but it seems to me altering time requires the mortal touch of free will. just as in DB changing harry's fate was an act of free will in the face of predestination. so a god to facilitate the working and a mortal to carry out the actions. dude look at it this way. time manipulation is odin/kringles forte and harry owes him a favor. this sets up the presumed time travel jim says will probably happen. IF on the other hand the time thing refers to harry doing kringles job one snowy christmas eve and stretching time to visit every kid in the world, i'd be cool with that too ;)
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