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[All Spoils] Key Words for Outsider Magic and Mordite
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: wizard nelson on February 12, 2013, 04:47:27 PM ---myrk is an aspect of hobs. if it didn't show up directly as a result of their presence then someone with similar aspects of magic summoned it for them. molly didn't create it. how would helping the hobs save anybody? myrk is something to do with hobs in myths too, its associated with them from before the dresden files were a twinkle in jims eye.
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I think you got jumbled. In SmF, the hobbs bring myrk with them to the train station so that the light is blotted out, because they're allergic to light. In PG, someone casts myrk to cause confusion and fear, increasing the emotions that the fetch feeds on. The question is who cast the myrk at the convention, and why.
--- Quote from: wyltok on February 12, 2013, 05:02:47 PM ---Pretty sure those are the same thing. Besides, like I previously mentioned, Molly's done the murk (not myrk) again after this book. Namely, she did it on Luccio in Turn Coat.
The ward wasn't physical. It was mental (like the mind fog), urging people to not get any closer. Somewhat like the compulsion / binding Maeve laid on Slate back in Summer Knight, actually (which is why she's usually proposed as the person behind it, though like I said, it certainly fits Molly the mind-magic warlock's MO just as well, if not better).
So your theory is that the fetches have terrible aim (always attacking people other than the one who attracted them first) and then stop acting in the pattern they were following for no discernible reason? That just... sounds a bit too far-fetched to me?
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1) The thing she did to Luccio was mental magic; she didn't shroud Luccio's head in darkness. It was an illusion. The myrk isn't an illusion. It's a physical manifestation. Harry says in SmF that “It’s matter from the Nevernever. Think of it as a cellophane filter, only instead of being around a light, it is spread all through the air. That’s why we couldn’t see the light from my amulet, and why the muzzle flash of my gun was so muted." Molly has never cast a physical matter like myrk on a wide-area. When she manipulates light and sound, she's doing so in a small, regionalized area. The only time she casts a wide-area illusion is in CD, where she gets sapped by casting the mist over water. If she knew how to cast a myrk, she could have done so.
2) The ward sounded pretty physical to me. As physical as any manifestation of magic. The gloom began to press in closer to me, and it became an effort of will to hold up the light in my amulet against it. A few steps more and the air grew even colder. Walking forward became an effort, like wading through waist-deep water. I had to lean against it, and I heard a grunt of effort come out of my mouth. As you said, it's similar to the casting Maeve threw at Slate in SK. But in that instance, Harry saw the casting, which was visible as blue motes floating through the air. It also had an anchor on Slate, as it was working through the tattoo. It was manipulation of the tattoo, and their link, that allowed her to slow Slate down. She couldn't do the same against Harry in PG, because he wasn't the WK, and he didn't have a tattoo.
3) The fetches come across at the focus of the fear spell. Once there, they feed off of fear. When the first fetch came through the mirror, Pell saw him, and his fear spiked. The fetch then attacked Pell. In the second attack, the anchor was Rosie. Once there, it fed off the fear of everyone present, and simply attacked. Molly was targeting Nelson and Rosie with her fear spell, which is what the fetches followed. When Harry reverse the spell on Molly, he sent the fear spell back at her, which the fetches then followed to her house. I don't see how that's against their nature at all. When did they stop acting in the pattern?
--- Quote from: Elegast on February 12, 2013, 05:14:25 PM ---No.
The mechanism of the spell is explained:
Harry thought the summoner and the beacon were the same person. So he sent the fetches to the beacon. In fact, Mab was sending the fetches from the NN using Molly as a beacon.
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That doesn't work because the phages were still focused on the convention center in the last attack. If Mab was sending the fetches from the NN and using Molly as a beacon, then they would appear near Molly. But they never did. The last fetch even showed up at the convention, despite Molly being at home. Harry speculates in the book that maybe the numbers were increasing because of the growing fear at the convention. So that explains why one might have been there; it wasn't sent, it just came because of the fear.
But Molly was never present when the fetches appeared, and the victims of her black magic were. If Molly were the beacon, they would have come to her.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 12, 2013, 05:00:51 PM ---Harry's spell made sure that the fetches went back at the person that summoned them, and not anyone else. What you're saying is that Molly summoned the fetches, and Mab made sure Harry realized someone was summoning the fetches by having Maeve pretend to be a summoner in the room with one fetch, casting a myrk and ward combo? Because if Mab or Maeve sent the fetches, rather than Molly summoning them (unknowningly), then Harry's spell wouldn't have worked.
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Nobody summoned the fetches, as I understand it; when Harry realises the phages are fetches, he realises they have to have been sent rather than summoned.
His spell appears to find Molly because she's the closest fit to being a mortal cause of them being there, because they originally targeted her black magic, rather than because of her summoning them in any way; his spell is looking for a summoner rather than a sender and it finds the somewhat awkward best fit. (Molly did nothing to choose them being there, but they are still focused on her as a result of her actions. This seems to me to follow the same pattern as what happens to Molly at the end of CD, in terms of Faerie power's interaction with choice and consequence.)
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Elegast on February 12, 2013, 05:14:25 PM ---No.
The mechanism of the spell is explained:
Harry thought the summoner and the beacon were the same person. So he sent the fetches to the beacon. In fact, Mab was sending the fetches from the NN using Molly as a beacon.
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That explanation is before Harry realises they are fetches and therefore have been sent; it's wrong because it's based on wrong assumptions.
wizard nelson:
--- Quote ---I think you got jumbled. In SmF, the hobbs bring myrk with them to the train station so that the light is blotted out, because they're allergic to light. In PG, someone casts myrk to cause confusion and fear, increasing the emotions that the fetch feeds on. The question is who cast the myrk at the convention, and why.
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ahhh yea i saw myrk and hobs in the same post and assumed it was SmF they were talking about. myrk IS associated with hobs in myths. alternative idea. harry mentions its a familiar working but he can't recall were from yes? this wording is associated with elaine alot iirc. elaine has already shown an aptitude for this kinda working with the mind mist in SK. i'd just as easily attribute it to her.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: wizard nelson on February 13, 2013, 02:54:06 AM ---ahhh yea i saw myrk and hobs in the same post and assumed it was SmF they were talking about. myrk IS associated with hobs in myths. alternative idea. harry mentions its a familiar working but he can't recall were from yes? this wording is associated with elaine alot iirc. elaine has already shown an aptitude for this kinda working with the mind mist in SK. i'd just as easily attribute it to her.
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The problem is, Harry uses the word familiar to describe almost every working. That's why in my original key words list for Outsiders, it had to be in tandem with one of the other key words.
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