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[All Spoils] Key Words for Outsider Magic and Mordite
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 12, 2013, 03:39:30 PM --- And I still don't know why she had to be pretending there was a summoner bringing the fetches.
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That was in Mab's plan. She had to convince Harry to use a redirection spell to bring Molly. And at that point Mab didn't know that Maeve was infected.
See here my thoughts on PG.
wizard nelson:
myrk is an aspect of hobs. if it didn't show up directly as a result of their presence then someone with similar aspects of magic summoned it for them. molly didn't create it. how would helping the hobs save anybody? myrk is something to do with hobs in myths too, its associated with them from before the dresden files were a twinkle in jims eye.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Elegast on February 12, 2013, 04:45:59 PM ---That was in Mab's plan. She had to convince Harry to use a redirection spell to bring Molly. And at that point Mab didn't know that Maeve was infected.
See here my thoughts on PG.
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Harry's spell made sure that the fetches went back at the person that summoned them, and not anyone else. What you're saying is that Molly summoned the fetches, and Mab made sure Harry realized someone was summoning the fetches by having Maeve pretend to be a summoner in the room with one fetch, casting a myrk and ward combo? Because if Mab or Maeve sent the fetches, rather than Molly summoning them (unknowningly), then Harry's spell wouldn't have worked.
This is why I hated PG the first time around, and it's always been my least-favorite book. My hopes of TTH are that everything that wasn't answered in PG would eventually be answered.
And we don't know that Mab didn't know. We only know that Mab knows when she doesn't talk; and she didn't talk in PG.
wyltok:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 12, 2013, 04:39:25 PM ---I don't see where casting a myrk, which is a physical manifestation, and casting an illusion, which is a mental or light manipulation, are teh same thing.
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Pretty sure those are the same thing. Besides, like I previously mentioned, Molly's done the murk (not myrk) again after this book. Namely, she did it on Luccio in Turn Coat.
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 12, 2013, 04:39:25 PM ---I don't see where an amateur spellcaster with no experience or training can cast a physical myrk and a physical ward, especially when their natural talent lies in non-physical magic.
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The ward wasn't physical. It was mental (like the mind fog), urging people to not get any closer. Somewhat like the compulsion / binding Maeve laid on Slate back in Summer Knight, actually (which is why she's usually proposed as the person behind it, though like I said, it certainly fits Molly the mind-magic warlock's MO just as well, if not better).
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 12, 2013, 04:39:25 PM ---In addition, I've always thought that Molly was busy casting at the time of the attacks. Molly was trying to scare Nelson and Rosie. At the first attack, in the bathroom, we don't know where Molly was. But the second attack, which was the Rosie attack, Molly took off, saying there were things she needed to do. For the third spell, when Harry reversed it back on the caster, there was a delay. He thought it would be sooner, but it took a while. That was because Molly was in the car with Charity and Forthill, driving home. As soon as he got home, the third attack commenced.
I think Molly was casting a spell that focused on her friends, trying to keep up the induced fear in them, so that they wouldn't abuse. The fetches came across from the NN in those places (Nelson in the bathroom; Rosie in the theatre) because they were drawn to the fear spell. For the third attack, they remained at the convention because of the build-up of fear there due to the other attacks and the movies being shown.
If someone else had been casting to bring the fetches across, or even send them, then Harry's spell would have sent the fetches at them, not at Molly.
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So your theory is that the fetches have terrible aim (always attacking people other than the one who attracted them first) and then stop acting in the pattern they were following for no discernible reason? That just... sounds a bit too far-fetched to me?
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 12, 2013, 05:00:51 PM ---Harry's spell made sure that the fetches went back at the person that summoned them, and not anyone else. What you're saying is that Molly summoned the fetches, and Mab made sure Harry realized someone was summoning the fetches by having Maeve pretend to be a summoner in the room with one fetch, casting a myrk and ward combo? Because if Mab or Maeve sent the fetches, rather than Molly summoning them (unknowningly), then Harry's spell wouldn't have worked.
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No.
The mechanism of the spell is explained:
--- Quote from: PG ---“Their summoner is going to draw them in,” I finished, following the line of reasoning. “It’s like… I could blanket the surrounding area in fog, but if they have someone on this end, the phages will have a beacon they can use to home in on the hotel.”
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--- Quote from: PG ---“Sure,” Bob said. “I mean, you have everything you need for that. You know the phages are after fear, and that they’re probably using his power as a beacon. Your web tells you something is stirring. You conjure up a big ball of fear, target the same beacon the phages are using, and let it fly.”
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Harry thought the summoner and the beacon were the same person. So he sent the fetches to the beacon. In fact, Mab was sending the fetches from the NN using Molly as a beacon.
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