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[All Spoils] Key Words for Outsider Magic and Mordite
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 11, 2013, 02:48:39 AM ---Proven Guilty
To your case about PG. If the greasy affect is a side-affect of some-one wielding dark magic, and Maeve cast the myrk spell, then we should expect it. But since I'm still not convinced it was Maeve casting the myrk, I'm not convinced that's proof against the theory.
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I don't want to derail the thread, but I found another clue that Maeve was at Splattercon!!!.
In CD we have a description:
--- Quote ---the kind of look that gets girls that age in trouble with men who should be old enough to know better.
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--- Quote ---colored in all glacial shades of blue and green and deep violet,
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Now let me quote the keyword analysis with earlier material:
--- Quote ---I give you the official descriptions of Maeve:
--- Quote ---The young woman who entered the bar could have been Lily’s sister. She had the same exotic beauty, the same canted, feline eyes, the same pale, flawless skin. But this one’s hair was worn in long, ragged strands of varying lengths, like a Raggedy Ann doll, each one dyed a slightly different color from frozen seas—pale blues and greens, as though each had borrowed its color from a different glacier. Her eyes were a cold, brilliant shade of green, almost entirely darkened by pupils dilated as though with drugs or arousal. A slender silver hoop gleamed at one side of her nose, and a collar of black leather studded with silver snowflakes encircled the graceful line of her slender throat. She wore sandals and cut-off blue jean shorts—very cut-off, and very tight. A tight, white T-shirt strained across her chest, and read, in pale blue letters stretched into intriguing curves, “YOUR BOYFRIEND WANTS ME.”
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--- Quote ---She looked young. Young enough to make a man feel guilty for thinking the wrong thoughts, but old enough to make it difficult not to. Her hair had been bound into long dreadlocks, each of them dyed a different shade, ranging from a deep lavender to pale blues and greens to pure white, so that it almost seemed that her hair had been formed from glacial ice. She wore leather pants of dark, dark blue, laced and open up the outside seams from calf to hip. Her boots matched the pants. She wore a white T-shirt tight enough to show the tips of her breasts straining against the fabric, framing the words OFF WITH HIS HEAD. She had hacked the shirt off at the top of her rib cage, leaving pale flesh exposed, along with a glitter of silver flashing at her navel.
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So "young enough but old enough" is now used twice to describe her. This keyword is used a third time in the DF:
--- Quote ---Two girls, both too young for me to think adult thoughts about, sidled by in black-and-purple clothing and makeup that left a lot of skin bare, their faces painted pale, trickles of fake blood at the corners of their mouths. One of them smiled at me, and she had fangs.
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Elegast:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 11, 2013, 02:48:39 AM ---Blamp Exceptions
The biggest issue I've found so far with my own hypothesis is that there are two additional descriptions I found of Blamps that fit the Outsider descriptions. In both cases, it was describing the magical essence of the Blamp, since neither were casting spells.
BR-pg. 20 (Black Court Vampire)
BR-pg. 123 (Black Court Vampire)
For these, it's reasonable to assume that the words are simply favorite of JB to describe dark magic in general, and have no bearing on Outsider infection. OR, there's a tie between Blampires and Outsiders. I find the latter unlikely, since Blamps are tied to Necromancy, which was described in detail in DB, and was lacking from Cowl and Kumori. Grevane and Corpsetaker both had some key words in their descriptions, but it's far more likely at that point that the words are favorites.
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There are some highly speculative theories that the Blampires are linked to the outside.
* both are linked to unlife
* the BAT seems to be the ultimate consequence of the fall of the Black Council
* Typo in White Night? (missing WOJ)
MsDuck on the subject: here.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
is it worth thinking in terms of a control sample of whether Jim uses these words to describe dark magic in general that has no Outsider connection by checking for their frequency associated with hostile magic in the Codex Alera ?
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Elegast on February 11, 2013, 03:13:22 PM ---I don't want to derail the thread, but I found another clue that Maeve was at Splattercon!!!.
In CD we have a description:
Now let me quote the keyword analysis with earlier material:
So "young enough but old enough" is now used twice to describe her. This keyword is used a third time in the DF:
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Actually, Maeve being at Splattercon!!! doesn't completely disrupt the TTH theory, seeing as the theory itself is an attempt at explaining the unexplainable. My dissatisfaction with the "Maeve was at Splattercon!!!" theory is because now that she's dead, we presumably can never find out what role she played.
I see only 4 options for the myrk at Splattercon!!!.
- Maeve was there, and cast the myrk to cause further disruption and chaos for the fetch.
- The fetch itself cast the myrk, just like the hobs in SmF did.
- Mab cast the myrk remotely from AT.
- TTH, as the WK, cast the myrk to slow down the phage's attack.
The issue with it being Maeve is that we don't have any proof that Maeve was there, other than the lil' vamp. The issue with the fetch doing it is that none of the other fetches did it. The issue with Mab doing it is that she was busy in AT. And the issue with TTH doing it is... because he wasn't there?
There's a few things I like to point out about that particular attack.
1) The fetch presumably manifested in the room itself, based on Harry's observation at the end that the fetch came through Rosie's compact mirror. So who wrenched open the door with enough strength to rip it off its hinges?
2) The myrk cast by the hobbs in SmF wiped out all light, including Harry's amulet, but did nothing to impede his progress physically. But the myrk in PG allowed both Harry's amulet and staff runes to glow enough around him to see up to 15 feet, yet there was a physical ward included that impeded his ability to navigate toward the theatre.
3) Harry observed (once again) that the magic seemed familiar. But Harry hadn't experienced a myrk yet in the books, and hadn't felt any magic of Maeve's, other than her come-hither trick.
4) Someone was observed leaving the theatre, and then the myrk and pressure left. If Mab did it remotely, or the fetch did it itself, that observation wouldn't have been necessary.
What I try to do is explain all facets of that encounter. Mavra being there does some, but not all. Same for Maeve. The door thing is what gets the Maeve argument. If the fetch did come through the mirror, then it didn't come in through the door. That means something or someone else ripped the door off it's hinges. Maeve wouldn't have a reason to do that. In fact, Maeve would want the door closed, to keep everyone trapped in, thus causing more terror and leaving more victims.
Here's how TTH answers each issue.
1) The fetch manifested itself in the room, like Harry described. TTH goes running to the theatre with WK power, and wrenches the door open.
2) TTHarry casts the myrk to blind the fetch, and casts the ward to slow the fetch. It affects the other Harry because its magic-based. Rawlins didn't seem to be impeded.
3) TTHarry recognized a method of casting that is similar to his own, but he's not used to feeling it with the dark-magic style of the WK spells.
4) After PG Harry kills the phage, TTH runs out and drops the castings.
Here's how Maeve answers each issue.
1) The fetch manifested outside the room, and Harry was wrong about his observation at the end of the book.
2) Maeve cast the myrk and ward to slow Harry down, thus allowing more people to get attacked. How this fits with Maeve-did-it motive, I don't know.
3) Harry recognized the essence of Maeve's magic, maybe because its similar to what he'd sensed of Mab in their encounters.
4) After Harry kills the phage, Maeve leaves. But I'm still unclear on her full motivation.
--- Quote from: Elegast on February 11, 2013, 03:26:00 PM ---There are some highly speculative theories that the Blampires are linked to the outside.
* both are linked to unlife
* the BAT seems to be the ultimate consequence of the fall of the Black Council
* Typo in White Night? (missing WOJ)
MsDuck on the subject: here.
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I could see that being the case. But like I said, if everyone and everything is Outsider-based, then it's pretty confining. And it works against Ms Duck's theory that the Black Council was Maggie's anti-Blamp task force who used Outsiders against the Blamps. That'd be fighting fire with fire, rather than being productive.
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on February 11, 2013, 03:49:47 PM ---is it worth thinking in terms of a control sample of whether Jim uses these words to describe dark magic in general that has no Outsider connection by checking for their frequency associated with hostile magic in the Codex Alera ?
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I'm not sure. I search using the ebook copies of TDF. I don't have ebook copies of the Alera series. I guess the thing to look for there is references to people who have been infected/turned by the Vord.
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on February 12, 2013, 03:17:40 AM ---I see only 4 options for the myrk at Splattercon!!!.
- Maeve was there, and cast the myrk to cause further disruption and chaos for the fetch.
- The fetch itself cast the myrk, just like the hobs in SmF did.
- Mab cast the myrk remotely from AT.
- TTH, as the WK, cast the myrk to slow down the phage's attack.
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I would add Sandra to the list. And we have no proof that the myrk in SmF was cast by the Hobbs.
--- Quote ---There's a few things I like to point out about that particular attack.
1) The fetch presumably manifested in the room itself, based on Harry's observation at the end that the fetch came through Rosie's compact mirror. So who wrenched open the door with enough strength to rip it off its hinges?
2) The myrk cast by the hobbs in SmF wiped out all light, including Harry's amulet, but did nothing to impede his progress physically. But the myrk in PG allowed both Harry's amulet and staff runes to glow enough around him to see up to 15 feet, yet there was a physical ward included that impeded his ability to navigate toward the theatre.
3) Harry observed (once again) that the magic seemed familiar. But Harry hadn't experienced a myrk yet in the books, and hadn't felt any magic of Maeve's, other than her come-hither trick.
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1) That's a really good point. It really strengthen the TTH theory. But as I'm stubborn, I'm still going to counter : Maeve didn't want to kill a lot of people (Mab says somewhere she never kill without purpose). She cast the ward to make Harry think there's a sorcerer calling the fetch, but she didn't want to let the whole theatre die:
--- Quote from: PG ---“A summoner,” I said. “Given that someone actually threw a ward in my way the last time the phage showed up, that seems to be the most likely of the three.”
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2) That's really problematic. Two possibilities: Mab was the one doing the job in SmF, hence the superior power. Or maybe the hobbs create their own myrk. There were hundreds of them, so their combined power would be significant.
3)Harry saw Maeve using her power in SK. And it leaked too.
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