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Law Talk
Vargo Teras:
The thing is, Fate mechanics are somewhat narrative. I agree that it's unreasonable to knock someone out harmlessly with a Weapon:12 fireball, but I'd suggest that a Weapon:12 terramantic spell should be able to painfully but non-lethally pin my enemies to the ground for long enough that I can either hogtie or shoot them (with a nice non-magical revolver), either of which is a taken-out result which doesn't lead to a Lawbreaker stunt.
Tarion:
--- Quote from: Vargo Teras on February 12, 2013, 12:59:15 AM ---The thing is, Fate mechanics are somewhat narrative. I agree that it's unreasonable to knock someone out harmlessly with a Weapon:12 fireball, but I'd suggest that a Weapon:12 terramantic spell should be able to painfully but non-lethally pin my enemies to the ground for long enough that I can either hogtie or shoot them (with a nice non-magical revolver), either of which is a taken-out result which doesn't lead to a Lawbreaker stunt.
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And doing that occasionally would be fine for me. But I think that if you're repeatedly hitting people with that degree of force (remember, shooting someone with a handgun is a weapon 2. A grenade is a weapon 4. Weapon 12 is three times that stopping power) crushing people seems like a serious risk.
And if you're leaving corpses that have been battered with magic before death, the Wardens would be knocking on your door.
Sanctaphrax:
--- Quote from: Tarion on February 12, 2013, 01:11:35 AM --- (remember, shooting someone with a handgun is a weapon 2. A grenade is a weapon 4. Weapon 12 is three times that stopping power)
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No it isn't.
Deadmanwalking:
Sleep spells are almost violations of the Fourth Law, not the First.
And an electricity-as-tazer spell or spirit-based blood choke should be able to take someone out without killing 'em pretty well.
But at heart, no, I don't think making people worry about this is unfair, but I'd suggest you're doing it the wrong way, because you're violating the rules to achieve that effect.
Instead, I suggest Compels on their High Concept. If they accept, using magic on those poor mortals is too dangerous and they either don't do it or risk Lawbreaker, if they refuse the Compel, they find a non-lethal spell. Do this every time it comes up and everyone has to be pretty careful, but the rules remain unchanged and there's no unfairness. You can do the same thing on a cop shooting people or other such situations, too.
Lavecki121:
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on February 12, 2013, 01:37:46 AM ---No it isn't.
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I agree with you, I just wanted to take a moment and admire how much you like to explain your views. Makes me giggle
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