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Lavecki121:
I feel she would only have violated the seventh law if she contacted an actual outsider, and even then I think it would only count if the outsider was on the other side if the gates. Any information collected from this side I don't think would violate that law.
blackstaff67:
--- Quote from: Lavecki121 on February 09, 2013, 05:14:09 PM ---I feel she would only have violated the seventh law if she contacted an actual outsider, and even then I think it would only count if the outsider was on the other side if the gates. Any information collected from this side I don't think would violate that law.
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Seconded. When I ask my Storyteller whether or not I have to take a Lawbreaker stunt due to invoking "I have so-snd-so's Grimoire" she said: "No. The book itself isn't magical though the data is. What you do with the data using you free will determines a Lawbreaker. Mind you, the Wardens would NOT be happy discovering you possessed such a book, they'd at least want to confiscate the book and you'd be an object of suspicion for anything bad that happened in your locale, but accessing the book in and of itself won't confer Lawbreaker."
And that's good enough for me.
blackstaff67:
--- Quote from: Theonlyspiral on February 09, 2013, 05:04:59 PM ---So the Seventh Law.
We have a Character in our game that's hunting a specific outsider and his seven mortal servants. Last night she managed to get some information when one of his servants had a moment of lucidity and contacted her. She tried to start researching her opponents by talking to some people who might be in the know (Ghosts of her ancestors who fought, Athena, ancient library) and I warned that if she pushed any further it would be bordering on a Seventh Law violation. Go deep enough and it would be one for sure. I did tell her there was plenty of information available if she wanted, but she backed off. Now I feel justified in this warning but one of the players approached me after the game and informed me that a couple people were upset by it. Do you guys think this was out of line?
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I find myself in the unenviable position of having to reverse myself, particularly as the RAW say that it is the only law not necessarily predicated upon casting a spell. Period.
That said, it's rather difficult for me as a player to accept a Lawbreaking stunt for unintentionally violating this law; for all intents and purposes, simply reading about the bloody things is a violation and can potentially confer Lawbreaker on you, which...golly, would it give a bonus to fighting Outsiders since other Lawbreaker stunts give bonuses when you opt to use magic to violate the law that gave you the stunt? Again, my emphasis is that no spell need be cast to violate the 7th Law; I guess my question is whether or not continued non-magical research would confer Lawbreaker status and the ensuing stunt and how/what bonus the Lawbreaker stunt would confer.
Tedronai:
I'm not convinced that merely reading about outsiders should necessarily confer Lawbreaker.
I interpret the language of the Law to forbid seeking knowledge FROM Beyond and not OF Beyond. Otherwise, anyone simply asking a Warden what an Outsider IS would gain lawbreaker, and warrant execution, let alone the hoop-jumping that would be necessary simply to let the Wardens have the knowledge to enforce this particular Law.
Theonlyspiral:
In the Specific incident in question, the Character (and Player) know what an outsider is and that knowledge of them is forbidden. Her family has picked some stuff up over the past 20 generations (the time they have been hunting this specific being) but they've mostly been unable to make progress. The character in question lives with a Warden.
Now in terms of knowledge she picks up personally in play that's not an issue. The Wardens don't just blast clean your memory. However in this case the Goddess Athena was offering her a book the council thought destroyed that contained a good deal of detailed information about the outsider and his mortal servants through the years.
Given some expansion does this change what people think?
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