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rekshek:
So I read most of lovecraft during my senior year of highschool (5 years ago) so bear with me, but Nyarl was a badass as far as outer gods go. He was the only active one of the outer gods, could walk on earth, loved chaos and deception above death and destruction, and was the son of Azathoth. He wouldn't need an avatar to walk around with if we go by legends, and if we go by beings of his size (he would at least be Mother level) then I guess he might but Cowl doesn't seem to fit him to well, as he always worked his con alone if I remember right (Kumori puts a hit on him being cowl thus).

wizard nelson:
not really bad ass per se just more active in getting stuff done.

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i don't understand...? but kimori working with cowl doesn't negate a nyarl connection, every incarnation of him is different. ever read stephen kings dark tower? according to nyarl wiki randall flagg was nyarl. i didn't know this from reading it at all. as kimori seems to be working with him based on very skewed perceptions deception is involved probably. nyarl doesn't have to be precisely as depicted elsewhere as jims flavor of reality would definitely shift his character. possibly nyarl doesn't have the power inside the gates he should? its better said that nemesis is nyarl and cowl is his vessel, especially as harrys feel of his magic is that its human and not the greasier stuff used by black court or others. mmm notice black magic is discribed with the same (if lessened) feel as outsiders are? ahhh i wonder...

rekshek:

--- Quote from: wizard nelson on February 04, 2013, 08:06:24 AM ---not really bad ass per se just more active in getting stuff done. i don't understand...? but kimori working with cowl doesn't negate a nyarl connection, every incarnation of him is different. ever read stephen kings dark tower? according to nyarl wiki randall flagg was nyarl. i didn't know this from reading it at all. as kimori seems to be working with him based on very skewed perceptions deception is involved probably. nyarl doesn't have to be precisely as depicted elsewhere as jims flavor of reality would definitely shift his character. possibly nyarl doesn't have the power inside the gates he should? its better said that nemesis is nyarl and cowl is his vessel, especially as harrys feel of his magic is that its human and not the greasier stuff used by black court or others. mmm notice black magic is discribed with the same (if lessened) feel as outsiders are? ahhh i wonder...

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Eh I seriously doubt he needs a vassal/avatar like Cowl, it just goes against the core of what Lovecraft wanted in Nyarl, as he was the outer god that walked among man, having an avatar is a pretty big shift from his identity. Him being Nemesis is possible, would go along well what what he is. Also while Cowl is seriously tough, he has been shown to be wounded from fights with Harry and HWWB didn't seem to retain anything from Harrys first encounter in WK.

wizard nelson:
one of nyarl's things is promising dark arts users power in exchange for entrance to their body. if nemesis/nyarl is beyond the gates(as such a being should be) then a mortal wizard he can subsume and potentially take as his own body would be perfect. in the end it wouldn't matter who cowl WAS(unless its seriously twisty) as much as what he becomes. cowl's monologue to harry about insanity certainly could point to him knowing somethings in his head and wondering if its skewed his perceptions. if this is nemesis we already know he works with beings or trys to compromise them outright. i'd imagine it works similarly to the denarians, i can be your buddy or if you slip up and let me (or if it suits me) i'll be your master. this certainly is congruent with other known infections.
and technically nyarl is nothing BUT avatar btw. he's an avatar himself of the outergods iirc.

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