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WAG of fate. spoilers!
GrandPanjandrum:
--- Quote from: KevinSig on January 31, 2013, 05:21:49 PM ---
Still, I wouldn't think Nemisis (the Greek god) would be considered forgotten enough, to negate existence. So, maybe the Outer Gates don't have any effect on the Oblivion War.
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For this, I think you have to look at the philosophical make-up of Nemesis. It was her job to take entities down a peg. She was/is retribution for hubris. I think it's fair to say that the old pantheon as well as a significant number of other long ago Gods/ Goddesses would feel anger towards mortals (as an example) for the ease in which they turned away from them. There is obvious hubris in that. In truth, there has even been an active organization trying to assure that is the case ( The True Venatoris). I don't find it any stretch of the imagination to assume that even though Nemesis might not be at risk of being forgotten in total personally...there aren't quite a few Gods, Goddesses, gods, and goddesses who are approaching the cusp of banishment. Many more have already faced it. So, I don't think Nemesis would have to be an "Outsider" at all to perform as is her nature...especially since she probably was well familiar with many of the Gods, Goddesses, gods and goddesses that no longer exist in reality because mortals no longer recognize them personally or historically.
It would also explain how this war with the "Outsiders" has been going on forever.
Of course, if Nemesis was smart, she'd just update Wikipedia on a regular basis. :o
madness:
--- Quote from: GrandPanjandrum on February 01, 2013, 12:01:22 AM ---For this, I think you have to look at the philosophical make-up of Nemesis. It was her job to take entities down a peg. She was/is retribution for hubris. I think it's fair to say that the old pantheon as well as a significant number of other long ago Gods/ Goddesses would feel anger towards mortals (as an example) for the ease in which they turned away from them. There is obvious hubris in that. In truth, there has even been an active organization trying to assure that is the case ( The True Venatoris). I don't find it any stretch of the imagination to assume that even though Nemesis might not be at risk of being forgotten in total personally...there aren't quite a few Gods, Goddesses, gods, and goddesses who are approaching the cusp of banishment. Many more have already faced it. So, I don't think Nemesis would have to be an "Outsider" at all to perform as is her nature...especially since she probably was well familiar with many of the Gods, Goddesses, gods and goddesses that no longer exist in reality because mortals no longer recognize them personally or historically.
It would also explain how this war with the "Outsiders" has been going on forever.
Of course, if Nemesis was smart, she'd just update Wikipedia on a regular basis. :o
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Different era and technology but this appears to be pretty much what Mab did via the Brothers Grimm.
wizard nelson:
--- Quote from: Shecky on January 31, 2013, 04:02:07 PM ---Only problem is that the original Nemesis was clearly in the Greek pantheon and thus among the "old gods"
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was rereading things. are you saying you think the greek pantheon is outsider related? or that the 'old gods' were forced out of reality? the 'old ones' or 'great old ones' is an outsider lovecraft thing.
--- Quote --- "Great Old Ones" a loose pantheon of ancient, powerful deities from space who once ruled the Earth and who have since fallen into a deathlike sleep.
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of which Cthulhu is the most (in)famous. the order would be outergods, great old ones, the primordial gods(or titans if prefered) who make existence like Kronos and gaia, greek god pantheon, then newer deities and incarnations.(totally ignoring the so called 'elder gods') not sure were jim would put dragons precisely, or other castes/pantheons i'm not familiar with.
Oirthir:
I think that what we have stumbled upon here is a coincidence. Nemesis could as easily be reference to the Lovecraft poem of the same name.
wizard nelson:
--- Quote from: Oirthir on February 01, 2013, 11:44:59 AM ---I think that what we have stumbled upon here is a coincidence. Nemesis could as easily be reference to the Lovecraft poem of the same name.
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eh? never read that one... can you give me a highlight? i would say i don't believe in jim making coincidences but after the 'disappearing amulet'... well you know.
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