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NevynK:
Hmm not sure but from what I've seen i think the magiphone has to be authorized by the receiver of the message so if you don't wanna hear it you don't, or the person has to break through your defenses (ie break the law) to get u to listen. Harry and Elaine authorized each other way back when but I don't think Harry would be able to use it with anyone that didn't know about it first or he would have to invade their thoughts in order to ask for permission which would equal Morgan chopping his noggin in half and be very bad.

SoulCatcher78:
The voluntary aspect has me thinking of an encounter with someone who doesn't remember what they did the night/day/week before and is worried that something terrible might have occured.  If they were willing to let you in, would that circumvent the Third Law?  I suppose they would have to either be a true believer in Magic or desperate for an answer to even volunteer ("I thought Wizards could read minds?").

In the end, it all comes down to the GM though so if there's no official guidance, there's always houserules for this sort of thing.

wyltok:
With regards to wether transmitting alone counts for an invasion of the mind, I point towards Summer Knight, and Elaine vs. the Unicorn. All she was doing was transmitting idle thoughts, but it was enough to stop it cold. Anything that's that effective in combat, I think, qualifies as an invasion. So unless someone wants to argue quantity as a qualifier of invasion or not, I would say transmitting breaks the law.

With regards to the WN spoiler, I answer with another spoiler:

(click to show/hide)When Harry tried to contact Elaine while she was in the bathtub, he actually got both an image of her surroundings, and the thoughts going through her head (even the ones that weren't hers). So it's not just a mental sending; Harry was reading her mind, and her will was not the cause (although it could be argued that circumstances allowed this, due to other stuff I'm not willing to write even inside spoilers). So either the law allows voluntary telepathy, or they broke it.

-wyl

Rechan:
Fred, how would this effect say, dream magic? Or invading the dreams of another?

And, what if you need to invade the dreams of another to fight something that's in their dreams/head in the first place? Would the act of invading to "Fight" the attacker be a violation?

I'm thinking specifically the situation in the dream episode of Supernatural about two weeks ago. :)

iago:

--- Quote from: Rechan on February 20, 2008, 08:06:37 PM ---Fred, how would this effect say, dream magic? Or invading the dreams of another?

And, what if you need to invade the dreams of another to fight something that's in their dreams/head in the first place? Would the act of invading to "Fight" the attacker be a violation?
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I answer all of these with a cop-out: how does YOUR GM interpret the laws?  That's what's going to matter.  Because what "counts" and what doesn't can and should be on a sliding scale that's sensitive to the themes your group is going for in the game.

I'm thinking specifically the situation in the dream episode of Supernatural about two weeks ago.[/quote]
Haven't seen it yet. :)

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