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Ms Duck:

--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on January 01, 2013, 03:11:03 PM ---My point Ms.Duck is that we don't know what the criteria for being a god is in the Dresdenverse. Sure a being can say it's a god but is it?

Let's use Neil Gaimans American Gods as an example. In this book "gods" are beings that gain power from belief. A powerfull creature might claim it's a god but since it doesn't get power from belief it is by definition not a god.

I'm not saying that the same is true in the Dresdenverse but the point is that it could be. In the Dresdenverse you may have to meet a certain criteria (power coming from belief or otherwise) before you can be called a "god". The historical perspective is useful as a reference point but no more. Jim changes mythological stuff all the time (I don't remember anything about narcotic saliva or ectoplasmic skin in the Mayan mythos for example).

For an example, remember in Dead Beat when Harry said that Cowl would become a god if he preformed the Darkhallow? Harry didn't say anything about people worshipping Cowl so that's a point against the historical perspective. 

If a king in europe claimed he was a lemon and executed anyone who disagreed I wouldn't be inclined to argue loudly. He's still not a lemon.

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both have some validity- for example number of believers / knoweledgable has little to do with thte power of  a god that has been shown, and more to do with is the god allowed to do anything ? thats what the whole oblivion war is about.

as to cowl, is suspect he would have ended up with worshippers, eventually.

and then there is the whole issue of purpose

my point is, you may be right. but if there is some sort of 'minimum requirement' its in the 'power you can use' catagory. and that makes mab a god.

Darkshore:
Lot's of interesting stuff here. As for the conversation about Iron, Jim seems to have made a lot of his own nuances with this in the Dresden Files. In many cultures iron is a long standing protection against evil, spirits, and magic. In fact iron is believed to have the power to not only block magic but drain it as well. Jim seems to only take irons significance in terms of damaging the Fae, but doesn't offer explanation as to why it's other uses are null and void.

123456789blaaa:

--- Quote from: Ms Duck on January 01, 2013, 03:15:54 PM ---both have some validity- for example number of believers / knoweledgable has little to do with thte power of  a god that has been shown, and more to do with is the god allowed to do anything ? thats what the whole oblivion war is about.

as to cowl, is suspect he would have ended up with worshippers, eventually.

and then there is the whole issue of purpose

my point is, you may be right. but if there is some sort of 'minimum requirement' its in the 'power you can use' catagory. and that makes mab a god.

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We don't know though so why speculate about it? We have no idea what makes a god a god in the Dresdenverse. The best we can do is make shaky guesses.

Until we get a definition, I will only call a being in the Dresdenverse a god if it's called a god in the books.

Where is it suspected that Cowl would have eventually ended up with worshippers? i can't recall anything like that in DB. It doesn't really matter anyways since he would still have been a god even if he hadn't ended up with worshippers.

Ms Duck:

--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on January 01, 2013, 03:20:14 PM ---We don't know though so why speculate about it? We have no idea what makes a god a god in the Dresdenverse. The best we can do is make shaky guesses.

Until we get a definition, I will only call a being in the Dresdenverse a god if it's called a god in the books.

Where is it suspected that Cowl would have eventually ended up with worshippers? i can't recall anything like that in DB. It doesn't really matter anyways since he would still have been a god even if he hadn't ended up with worshippers.

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pardon, thats my dyslexia. it should read 'I suspect' .. because thats what i think; the godhood comes first from ascension then worshippers come later.

123456789blaaa:

--- Quote from: Ms Duck on January 01, 2013, 04:18:58 PM ---pardon, thats my dyslexia. it should read 'I suspect' .. because thats what i think; the godhood comes first from ascension then worshippers come later.

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In that case the worshippers are basically just a side effect of becoming a god then. They're not required for you to be a god.

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