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Connections-Hexenwolf belts, Love Hurt belts, Victor Sells, Blood Rites curse
123456789blaaa:
Fantastic work Cenphx ;D.
I think that the belts (both types) come from the Circle. I think that Cowl was the person who made the belts and was the person who taught LeBlanc. It has been shown that Cowl is super powerfull (possibly SC level if he is Simon) so he would probably be able to create the belts. Remember that the Circle has shown many connections with the red court (and if Simon is Cowl than something more is that Simon was the White Council expert on vampires and the closest to them). Remember that Harry specifically says that the heart bursting curse couldn't be done by RC vamps. I would assume that you need to able to do a heart bursting curse to teach it too someone thus I believe that Cowl (who I think is Simon) taught it to Victor Sells and also taught him magic in general. Cowl being responsible for the events of the first two books also fits with Jim being a self admitted "lazy writer".
I fully admit that the above beliefs are shaky and full of holes. I'm also very tired right now so the above may not make much sense. I'm just throwing it out here.
EDIT: As Cenphx nicely pointed out in another thread:
--- Quote ---in DB when Cowl first meets Harry outside of Bock Ordered Books he says something like, “I want to see what has the Wardens so nervous.” This suggests Cowl wasn't around in SF or FM. He does not have the knowledge of Harry which would be shared by whoever was involved with the Hexenwolves or Victor Sells.
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Disregard the entire Cowl speculation part of my post.
The white court parts of the theory seem kind of disconnected and weird until you remember that [CD Spoilers] (click to show/hide)Vittorio was infected and/or possessed by an Outsider and that Lord Raiths magic protection is probably either provided by an Outsider we haven't seen yet or HWWB.
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Cenphx on December 20, 2012, 12:10:27 AM ---Summary of Connections
* Absolute connection acknowledged in book
* Between Love Hurt belts and hexenwulf belts
* Between heart ripping curse/spell/ritual of Sells in SF and the Red Court in Changes
* Item given out which allows non magical person to cause magic to occur
* Belt (FM)
* Belt ( LH)
* ThreeEye potion (SF)
* Vending machine ritual magic – energy in, magic result out
* Belt (FM)
* Belt ( LH)
* Entropy curse ritual (BR)
* Addictive nature of item beyond the simple addictiveness of use of dark magic
* Belt (FM)
* Belt (LH)
* ThreeEye potion (SF)
* Teaching magic to lesser practitioner/nonmagic person
* Baroness LeBlanc (LH) (taught by ?)
* Victor Sells (SF) (taught by ?)
* Madge and other porn star sorceresses (BR) (taught by Lord Raith?)
Therefore, the connection between LH and FM appears conclusive, LH = FM, as does their connection to SF, such that LH=FM=SF. While the number of connections to between BR and the others is not as many, the specific language to describe the magic is so precise and distinctive, that for purposes of theorizing, I am willing to connect BR as well.
So we have LH=FM=SF=BR.
I will use these connections to consider and rule out possible suspects in the next thread.
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Great job.
What becomes clearer thx to your work, is that we have only two absolute connection: the belts and the curse, and that both of them involve the Red Court.
Cenphx:
Thx for the compliments, guys! It got to the point where I woke up in the morning and my first thoughts were of this thread. I know the BR connection is weaker than the rest. It certainly shouldnt be considered one of absolutely proven parts, but the language about how the magic works is so unique and distinctive and (like 12345678blaaa pointed out) the likelihood that LR was helped/given magic by someone who could summon outsiders (mortal wizard) that im willing to accept BR as part of the pattern. But I get why other people are not.
123456789blaaa:
--- Quote from: Cenphx on December 20, 2012, 03:33:20 PM ---Thx for the compliments, guys! It got to the point where I woke up in the morning and my first thoughts were of this thread. I know the BR connection is weaker than the rest. It certainly shouldnt be considered one of absolutely proven parts, but the language about how the magic works is so unique and distinctive and (like 12345678blaaa pointed out) the likelihood that LR was helped/given magic by someone who could summon outsiders (mortal wizard) that im willing to accept BR as part of the pattern. But I get why other people are not.
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Please, call me Count :). It probably feels less stupid to type and is shorter to boot.
Was Lord Raith a practitioner? I don't recall any mention of it in the books.
Cenphx:
I dont think we see LR do any magic anywhere or are told that he can. He does seem to have a habit of recruiting female practitioners to do the work. Given that he used the same entropy curse in BR that he used against Harry's mom some 30+ years before, he had to have a dif woman doing the magic besides Madge. So I concluded he is teaching or giving the entropy spell to these women, but he didnt develop it himself. Someone gave it to him.
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