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Morgana Le Fay (includes CD spoilers)
aShorty21:
--- Quote from: ntribley on December 18, 2012, 06:31:24 PM ---I am still not convinced, despite Bob's comment to the contrary, that the mantle remakes a person.
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Any change that occurred in Titania, and by extension, Harry and Molly, would be as a result of choices they made.
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How about this. The Mantle really really really wants to change you. It is good at changing you. Every time you choose to use the power of the Mantle, it changes you a little. So the bottom line is that you technically have to choose to let the Mantle change you, but it is a very hard choice to avoid.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: ntribley on December 18, 2012, 06:31:24 PM ---I am still not convinced, despite Bob's comment to the contrary, that the mantle remakes a person.
1. Uriel in GS: "Lies. Mab cannot change who you are." and "You are a soul; you have a body." Both are strong indicators that choice is still choice, despite the mantle.
2. A mantle is just that - something that is placed upon you. Kringle/Odin even goes so far as to say that mask=mantle as far as meaning. One can be put off or taken up. Again implying choice.
3. Mother Summer also indicated that the changes wrought by Harry's mantle can be resisted, although few do. Why should another mantle be any different?
Any change that occurred in Titania, and by extension, Harry and Molly, would be as a result of choices they made.
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because the amntle, i think, is very much like the shadow. it can be reisisted, if you choose to. but non one ever said it was easy; and since its much stronger then the fallen (the queens at least) it would take a truly immense will to resist it for years..much less millenia
Like Mab's
when it comes to implacable will or super human intellignece, summer just ahsnt impressed me that much, yet.
wyltok:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 18, 2012, 05:06:42 PM ---yep, as i noted, this charchter has a long, long history going all the way back to the red branch celtic legends- where she was Mab's sister.
I wonder if in the jIm verse she was Titania's predecessor?
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Hmm... we do know from WoJ that the current Mother Summer has not had that mantle as long as Mother Winter has (the previous Mother Summer abdicated). If you are right, and Morgana was Titania's predecessor, would that make her the current Mother Summer?
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 18, 2012, 06:45:04 PM ---when it comes to implacable will or super human intellignece, summer just ahsnt impressed me that much, yet.
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I suspect that that implacable will and super human intelligence are not summer's purpose. They seem to exist to balance out those excesses, so that humanity and free will may flourish in the middle.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 18, 2012, 06:19:04 PM ---Because:
Morgan Le Fey (the original) is dead
Titania is very likely not Mab's sister due to the mother winter issue
the mantle remakes the person, and I dont think there is much of the original person in titania left.
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If that were true she would have killed Harry.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: wyltok on December 18, 2012, 06:52:04 PM ---Hmm... we do know from WoJ that the current Mother Summer has not had that mantle as long as Mother Winter has (the previous Mother Summer abdicated). If you are right, and Morgana was Titania's predecessor, would that make her the current Mother Summer?
I suspect that that implacable will and super human intelligence are not summer's purpose. They seem to exist to balance out those excesses, so that humanity and free will may flourish in the middle.
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pretty much. bit it means 'bleeps' to be them. tho eldest gruff seems to be operatign with all trubines running, so maybes its just titania, lilly, and auruara.
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