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The Red Court Lives....sort of (Spoilers Changes, GS, and CD)
kalinowt:
--- Quote from: wizard nelson on December 15, 2012, 06:19:46 AM ---thats my point she wasn't part vamp, she didn't have a demon, thats wat it killed in the halflings an younger than susan is important too:
"they wanted maggie because she was the youngest" "because her death woulda taken us all with her." "now you're the youngest," "the youngest vampire in the entire and literally damned court. you can kill them all." she didn't have a demon to destroy, she's uniquely maggie. halfling pregnancies dont happen everyday. she'd be different than them, a distillation of it, nothing there to kill.
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I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying you are getting several things tangled up.
1) RC doesn't have demons; that's the WC
2) Susan was a half-vampire for 10 years, by your argument the curse wouldn't have worked because Susan wasn't the youngest Red Court Vampire
3) Vampire is not the same as half-vampire.
4) Maggies at the most was a quarter vampire, not a full vampire. She wasn't the youngest vampire. She was the youngest Dresden/ McCoy
5) The Curse set off a chain reaction which killed the Vampire King.
6) It was the Vampire's king's death which cured the vampire taint in the half-vampires, not Susan's death
7) All half-vampires in this reality were cured; Maggie was in this reality therefore she was cured too.
123456789blaaa:
--- Quote from: kalinowt on December 15, 2012, 06:31:44 AM ---I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying you are getting several things tangled up.
1) RC doesn't have demons; that's the WC
2) Susan was a half-vampire for 10 years, by your argument the curse wouldn't have worked because Susan wasn't the youngest Red Court Vampire
3) Vampire is not the same as half-vampire.
4) Maggies at the most was a quarter vampire, not a full vampire. She wasn't the youngest vampire. She was the youngest Dresden/ McCoy
5) The Curse set off a chain reaction which killed the Vampire King.
6) It was the Vampire's king's death which cured the vampire taint in the half-vampires, not Susan's death
7) All half-vampires in this reality were cured; Maggie was in this reality therefore she was cured too.
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I'm not disputing the rest of your post but do you have proof for the bolded section? Also, I'm not getting 7. It's never stated definately that all the half-vamps were cured.
wizard nelson:
1 lea lulled their demon halves to sleep. DEMON
2your reading it wrong, her moment of 'birth' was when she killed martin... already said this..
3yep, half vamps just have the hunger demon within :P
4yea? ??? so? i know.. i don't get your point here..
5yea it reached back that far
6 the RCV were going to kill him cause he was loosing it, doubt they'd do that if it meant they died or lost power.
7this hinges on your 6, see my 6...
i think your getting your mythos mixed up, this aint dracula, you kill the original vamp and it doesn't do squat... sorry my logic confuses you :P
kalinowt:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on December 15, 2012, 06:40:40 AM ---I'm not disputing the rest of your post but do you have proof for the bolded section? Also, I'm not getting 7. It's never stated definately that all the half-vamps were cured.
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It's stated quite clearly that the Red King was the originator of his entire species. The curse was set up as a line curse: youngest of a line to oldest. Susan was the youngest vampire and therefore the line curse went all the way up to the oldest Red King wiping out his entire line. There would be no RC without the King and no taint. Otherwise please re-read the final chapters of Changes again. It's all quite clearly stated by Harry in the aftermath of Susan's death.
wizard nelson:
--- Quote from: kalinowt on December 15, 2012, 06:46:36 AM ---It's stated quite clearly that the Red King was the originator of his entire species. The curse was set up as a line curse: youngest of a line to oldest. Susan was the youngest vampire and therefore the line curse went all the way up to the oldest Red King wiping out his entire line. There would be no RC without the King and no taint. Otherwise please re-read the final chapters of Changes again. It's all quite clearly stated by Harry in the aftermath of Susan's death.
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it never says this is because he died, i got the book in my lap.. again arianna was to have him killed anyways..
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