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[CD spoilers] Mother Winter, the Blackstaff, Death and the Raven Banner
MacsBestCustomer:
--- Quote from: Elegast on December 07, 2012, 10:36:06 PM ---I don't think so. She probably has intellectus for all matters related to death, so in a sense she's there, but no need to come in person. Arthropos (one of her name), did her job with her shears without leaving her home.
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This may be true, but MW losing her walking stick may also be used as an explanation of why humans are living longer lives now than when she had it. Also, The 'our' used by MS to describe both her and MW to me makes complete sense. In all of mythology Death has been described as a distinct persona but closely connecting to its counterpart - whichever word was used to describe Life. Death defines Life and Life enables death. One is not the same or complete without the other. That also brings up an interesting theory I have been thinking about - are the Mother mantles connected in a symbiotic way? Do the fae mantles get farther apart in purpose with less power?
MS is obviously aware of the purpose of Winter and helping the knight of Winter, while the Summer Lady and Winter Lady are the weakest, most prone to wanting conflict between the courts and most vulnerable to outside influence as is proven with the corruption of 2 Lady's and the death of 3. Titania and Mab are obviously not on friendly terms but seem to, at least for now, not be as susceptible to outside influence and want to keep the peace to focus on important matters like the Outsiders and the Outer Gates. So are MS and MW actually 2 faces of the same mantle, god or whatever you want to call it since they appear to be aligned in purpose and actually appear to somewhat like or need each other? What names from mythology take Death and Life into account as well as the seasons?
Mercutio:
--- Quote from: Ezakra on December 07, 2012, 04:14:34 AM ---The office of each of the queens is a mantle, just like the winter knight, Mab was once mortal before she ascended through a rite similar to the dark hallow as per WOJ, so, I am sure, is Mw. She is also Baba Yaga of the iron teeth and cleaver, she is also Atropos and Skuld, who was the original and what powers are innate to her? Unknown, but I think we have WOJ that the last ice age was the transition of the old Mother S to the current one, so that dates her somewhat...
Each of the immortals seem to add a mantle that has current relevance in order to maintain power in opposition to the Oblivian War. Ivy is the enemy of all of them, odd that she is a signatory to the accords...
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How is Ivy an enemy of the Fae? Every word ever written is distilled in her mind, her Archive. If anything the Fae should have a string of bodyguards keeping track of her at all times, she's the last failsafe from them being cut off from the mortal world. If she's the enemy to anyone it's the Venators, the only way they can ever truly end the Oblivion War is if ALL mortal knowldge of the beings they want to banish is gone, and it will still be there as long as the Archive exists.
King Ash:
--- Quote from: Mercutio on December 21, 2012, 10:34:04 PM ---How is Ivy an enemy of the Fae? Every word ever written is distilled in her mind, her Archive. If anything the Fae should have a string of bodyguards keeping track of her at all times, she's the last failsafe from them being cut off from the mortal world. If she's the enemy to anyone it's the Venators, the only way they can ever truly end the Oblivion War is if ALL mortal knowldge of the beings they want to banish is gone, and it will still be there as long as the Archive exists.
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Nope, recent WOJ says that Ivy is the leader of the Oblivion War. She keeps track of all the names of different monsters/gods etc and if there has been no recordings of them over 1000 years she deletes the info from her internal database. She just doesn't let anyone know this about her.
Mercutio:
--- Quote from: Elegast on December 07, 2012, 08:15:29 PM ---You're right. The 'our' problem is really difficult. I would point that deadly plagues grow stronger near MS, and that MW says that death gives value to life, so it's not totally impossible. It's also the old Ying-Yang dichotomie after all.
And about two different names:
So I may be stretching the facts, but I'm not completely hallucinating... ;D
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I can almost see in the BAT an event that Harry has to call both Mothers, where he has either has given MW the Blackstaff already or he has it to offer as a bargining chip.
"Life, Death, Gaia(or some other Mother Nature equivalent, Mother Nature is the full cycle of life, so it belongs to them both)."
Followed be a Fae style bargain and much badassery... that will probably bite him in the ass, he did just call into battle a being that uses bio-chemical warfare after all.
Mercutio:
--- Quote from: King Ash on December 21, 2012, 10:39:58 PM ---Nope, recent WOJ says that Ivy is the leader of the Oblivion War. She keeps track of all the names of different monsters/gods etc and if there has been no recordings of them over 1000 years she deletes the info from her internal database. She just doesn't let anyone know this about her.
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Oh that's a new one for me, I'll take your word for it, but if you could or someone could post the WOJ I'd be grateful. Dang I thought I had a good counter-argument.
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