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TheCuriousFan:

--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 16, 2012, 06:37:47 AM ---One thing about SmF.. Mab forsaw much of it, part of what happens is Mab first introduces Harry and the island together. In CD, harry himself notes this ;)

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You were real happy with certain sections of Cold Days, weren't you Ms Duck? :D

THE_ANGRY_GAMER:
Actually, my theory about the Hobs is that they weren't aimed at the Archive at all - Ivy held off ALL the denarians at once, so the hobs aren't going to present a credible threat to her.

They were actually aimed at Harry. On his own, just him and Mouse, he'd have stood no chance, even if he had dispelled the Myrk. Nemesis-through-Maeve was trying to take Mab's emissary out, thus sowing discord between the WC and Winter. This works on the assumption that, if Harry had died, Luccio would have set the meet up as well. Thankfully, Uriel saw to it that the Fist of God was also in attendance.

Ms Duck:

--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on December 16, 2012, 09:23:22 AM ---You were real happy with certain sections of Cold Days, weren't you Ms Duck? :D

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about 85%.. Lol

im being nice and not brining up certain old arguments and flamewars :D

IndeedProceed:

--- Quote from: Elegast on December 03, 2012, 11:50:08 PM ---Titania

Titania was just an idiot. She sends (WOJ) her minions to counter Mab's minions, and kill the winter emissary, without looking at the big picture.

Two possible explanations (Thx GrandPanjandrum and wildfire393):

- due to a severe breakdown in communication (one millennium since their last conversation ), Titania could not see the big picture

- due to her very nature she had to respond to Mab. Yet her response still let Harry escape in the end (Fix gives him the idea about the leaf).

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The whole thing with Titania and Summer in Small Favor just misses the mark for me. Titania is a mirror of Mab, she ought to be aware that the abduction of one party of the accords by another party of the accords is not something that can be allowed to happen without retaliation by any of them.

So not only does Summer fail to aid the efforts to punish the Denarians, she actively opposes those efforts and impedes them and nearly kills the one guy trying to set it right in the process.

I also understand that Summer can't change their spots, so Aurora's death can't go unaddressed forever, and I understand the nature of the Summer/Winter relationship.

But somehow I just don't buy that Summer can't see the far, far reaching ramifications of the abduction not only of Marcone but also of Ivy. Not taking an active role in the effort is one thing, but taking an antagonistic role in Harry's investigation, that's nuts. It seems to me that Titania is actually exercising free will there (and later, when she doesn't kill Harry in CD despite her Summer nature demanding such).

And it also doesn't really jive that Harry gets becomes a bullseye that gets shot at just because of his emissary status, when there wasn't a formal force against Harry in SK. Maybe Titania can only come after him when he's associated with Faerie?

But then, why not a more concerted effort in Cold Days (actually, why not any effort at all)?

THE_ANGRY_GAMER:
The reason Titania didn't come after Harry in Pg was he wasn't formally involved, and thus untouchable to Titania. However, assuming no Nemesis in Titania (and really, we've no reason to think there is), then Titania really, really, wants to kill Harry. Added to the fact that it seems that Summer must always act in opposition to, or concert with (basically, they've gotta do something if Mab does) Winter in some way, then Titania taking a shot at Harry makes sense.

Remember, Titania is motivated by emotion. It's her job to stop Mab. It's Mab's job to stop the Outsiders. Mab looks at the big picture, and considering that she and Titania haven't communicated since Hastings, it's probable Titania didn't know that Nemesis was behind Namshiel.

In fact, the breakdown of the Accords helps Titania - it makes Winter less able to act in the Mortal world. Sure, it makes Nemesis' job easier, but Titania may think "welp, that's outside my job description".

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