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[CD spoilers] Cowl = Simon reference thread
Silkki:
--- Quote from: Elegast on November 29, 2012, 09:08:30 PM ---we know that Cowl is a human SC-level wizard, so the list of suspect is very short:
* Langtry
* Rashid
* Eb
* Lafortier
* Mai
* Martha
* LTW
* Simon Petrovich
* Klaus Schneider (the Toymaker)
During Dead Beat the SC was fighting the Reds. So we have two possibilities: Simon or Klaus.
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You perople are underestimating the WC. Remember Ebaneezer was way down the line, and that there were loads of different names, every1 absent before they got down in the list down to him when he entered the SC. So there are loads of wizards of SC level out there that simply haven't entered SC due politics.
(Or am I completely wrong here?)
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Silkki on December 01, 2012, 12:37:38 PM ---You perople are underestimating the WC. Remember Ebaneezer was way down the line, and that there were loads of different names, every1 absent before they got down in the list down to him when he entered the SC. So there are loads of wizards of SC level out there that simply haven't entered SC due politics.
(Or am I completely wrong here?)
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That's a very sensible question.
However we have a quote saying the SC is peerless in power:
--- Quote from: Dead Beat ---An offensive action like a full assault from the Senior Council, the seven oldest and strongest wizards on the planet, had been long overdue.
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So McCoy is in the top 7. However, that's in direct contradiction with this scene:
--- Quote from: Summer Knight ---Peabody reached under his table and came out with a bulging satchel. He muttered something to himself and rubbed some ink onto his nose with one finger, then he opened the satchel, which held what looked like a couple of reams of parchment. His eyes glazed over slightly, and he reached into the papers seemingly at random. He drew out a single page, put it on the desk before him, nodded in satisfaction, then read in a reedy voice, "Wizard Montjoy."
"Research trip in the Yucatán," Martha Liberty said.
Peabody nodded. "Wizard Gomez."
"Still sleeping off that potion," provided a grey-cloaked Warden standing by the wall.
Peabody nodded. "Wizard Luciozzi."
"Sabbatical," said the blue-bearded and tattooed wizard behind me. Ebenezar frowned, and one of his cheeks twitched in a nervous tic.
It went on like that for close to a quarter hour. Some of the more interesting reasons for absence included "He got real married," "Living under the polar ice cap," and "Pyramid sitting," whatever that was.
Peabody finally read, with a glance up at the Merlin, "Wizard McCoy." Ebenezar grunted and stood. Peabody read another half-dozen names before stating, "Wizard Schneider."
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That would mean a least a hundred wizards before McCoy on the seniority list.
That's simply not possible, as I cannot see how no one among those one hundred would accept a position as prestigious and powerful as SC member.
In my opinion, there are two ways to reconcile those two scenes:
- Out-universe: the Summer Knight scene was written as comic relief ('pyramid sitting', 'real married'), and is factually incorrect.
- In-universe: the nomination to SC is in fact the result of a political struggle behind the scenes, and the seniority list thing is just for show. So there may be a hundred wizards older than McCoy, but none of them had the magical/political power to challenge him for the seat.
Silkki:
--- Quote from: Elegast on December 01, 2012, 10:46:11 PM --- - In-universe: the nomination to SC is in fact the result of a political struggle behind the scenes, and the seniority list thing is just for show. So there may be a hundred wizards older than McCoy, but none of them had the magical/political power to challenge him for the seat.
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Wasnt going to be a Merlins puppet that was going to get in SC and wasn't it engineered by Merlin that every older member was gone due trivial reasons. Either due Merlin giving them some tasks, or simply due Merlin asking them to stay away.
Most wizards probably aren't suited for combat, but there should be several capable of heavy combat duty within those wizards, even if rest of the Council wouldn't know about it. Cowl might be one of the senior members that hasn't stepped up to be SC member or so.
Cenphx:
Thanks for the list Elegast. It reminded me a set of thoughts I had about Lucciozzi before. 1) adding the suffix -zzi to a last name sometimes occurred in mediterrean countries to indicate a specifc region from which the person hailed. Without it, we have Luccio. 2) Luccio has family to who she mentions she watches over. 3) Lucciozzi is the only name Eb has a visible reaction to and we never findout why. Is it possible Cowl is a wizard we've never even learned anything about yet? Whether thats true or not, I think that Eb inadvertently f'd up a plan to get a BC/nemesis meber on the SC here (which then gets reworked into the plan killing LaFortier). So I think one of the people on the list ahead of him is Cowl and/or a high level BC/nemesis member. Edit: I know this is thin, its not a theory, but more of a collection of thoughts that may help in brainstorming.
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Cenphx on December 01, 2012, 10:57:25 PM ---Thanks for the list Elegast. It reminded me a set of thoughts I had about Lucciozzi before. 1) adding the suffix -zzi to a last name sometimes occurred in mediterrean countries to indicate a specifc region from which the person hailed. Without it, we have Luccio. 2) Luccio has family to who she mentions she watches over. 3) Lucciozzi is the only name Eb has a visible reaction to and we never findout why. Is it possible Cowl is a wizard we've never even learned anything about yet? Whether thats true or not, I think that Eb inadvertently f'd up a plan to get a BC/nemesis meber on the SC here (which then gets reworked into the plan killing LaFortier). So I think one of the people on the list ahead of him is Cowl and/or a high level BC/nemesis member. Edit: I know this is thin, its not a theory, but more of a collection of thoughts that may help in brainstorming.
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1) Indeed. There is a quote confirming this:
--- Quote from: Dead Beat ---Holy crap, the boss herself. Anastasia Luccio was one of the next in line for a seat on the Senior Council, and was the commander of the Wardens. She was one tough old bird, and she was the field commander of the Council's forces in the war with the Red Court.
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4) It could definitely be a new character. But I trust Klaus the Toymaker, as he has a reputation for honesty, and actually turns down the job twice, in SK and in TC.
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