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[CD spoilers] Cowl = Simon reference thread
The Reaver:
Not what I expected... I was thinking this was a play on Simon Cowell and we were about to see a ton of American Idol or America's got Talent references.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: phoenixjustice on January 03, 2013, 08:11:19 AM ---True. But I don't think we have word that Simon cut ties with her or vice-versa do we?
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We don't, but would Larisa still be acting like an apprentice decades later?
--- Quote from: The Reaver on January 03, 2013, 08:19:10 AM ---Not what I expected... I was thinking this was a play on Simon Cowell and we were about to see a ton of American Idol or America's got Talent references.
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IIRC Cowl was brought in as a character before those two dhows went on air.
wizard nelson:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on January 03, 2013, 08:23:14 AM ---We don't, but would Larisa still be acting like an apprentice decades later?
IIRC Cowl was brought in as a character before those two dhows went on air.
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in DB kimori is helping cowl of her own free will. reread the talk her an harry have when she catches him sitting. it makes it seem much more that she believes in what he's doing as the lesser evil, not out of master apprentice obligation. theoretically she doesn't have to still be an apprentice to associate with him.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: wizard nelson on January 03, 2013, 08:30:03 AM --- in DB kimori is helping cowl of her own free will. reread the talk her an harry have when she catches him sitting. it makes it seem much more that she believes in what he's doing as the lesser evil, not out of master apprentice obligation. theoretically she doesn't have to still be an apprentice to associate with him.
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The scene outside the bookstore still reads like Kumori is working for him rather than with him IMO, she still supports him out of beliefs rather than obligation admittedly though. Of course, she could be Larisa just following the lead of her mentor, we'll find out eventually.
123456789blaaa:
--- Quote from: Arjan on January 03, 2013, 05:29:30 AM ---
I do not think that was a dead curse. Just overuse of magic.
I have read that woj and while such an interpretation is technical possible it sounds like a desperate one designed by people who do not want to loose their pet theory. It is forced and I do not buy it.
It is also my pet theory that a dead curse uses energy needed for a shade to continue its existence without a body and attempt resurrection and that is the reason we see no necromancers using dead curses.
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I think we should agree to disagree on these points.
--- Quote from: Arjan on January 03, 2013, 05:29:30 AM ---Their suspicions would not have made any difference. He could have tried the darkhallow as Simon and it would not made that much of a difference because Simon as Cowl would not have a white council identity left to protect. The only real explanation for the disguise is a still functioning white council member.
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Simon is an SC member and leader of the Brute Squad. He has many many responsiblies and is constrained by his power (this is a running theme in the Dresdenverse). He wouldn't have been able to sneak out of Archangel. He would simply not be able to stay in Chicago long enough to preform the Darkhallow.
I can't think of any possible excuse or false mission he could create which would allow him to go to Chicago for the time it took to preform the darkhallow. Especially since he is the vampire expert during the vampire war.
Simon would definately have a WC identity to protect. As I said before, the attack on Archangel did a ton of bad things to the WC. Some examples:
--- Quote from: Raptor on November 13, 2012, 05:55:47 PM ---As for why Simon would fake his death:
Just look what happens
-It creates a schism in the Senior Council and Council at large.
-It creates a void in the senior council that could alter the balance of power within the council.
-It creates fear throughout the council.
-It gives the Reds, who are likely as not just cats-paws a huge sense confidence in their ability to strike at the council.
-It removed some of the Council's most potent strike forces (likely only behind Eb, and the Senior Council as a whole) in the "brute squad" from the field entirely, potentially dramatically altering the balance of power in the war and in the supernatural world as a whole.
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If Simon revealed he was a traitor that lessens the impact of 3 of those. Not only that but if Simon (and SC MEMBER) was revealed as a traitor than rampant paranoia would have been created throughout the WC. The risk of Peabody being found out would have being increased tremendously and he was one of the best people to be a traitor. having him be removed and the younger wardens potentially de-mind boinked would have been a very bad blow to the Circles goals. Not to mention that Simon was close friends with both Eb and Martha Liberty. There's no telling what Eb at least would do after he found out that such a close friend was a traitor.
--- Quote from: Arjan on January 03, 2013, 05:29:30 AM ---Sending them on stupid missions to be ambushed. Arranging performance talks and immobilise them one by one and feed them to smuggled in vampires. Loads of other methods a figure with near absolute power and trust could use.
For the red court life captive wizards are extremely valuable.
The one who led the vampires in did not have that. Just the keys.
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Sending them on stupid mission sounds like a very bad idea. Simon is obviously a brilliant military leader or he would not have been chosen to lead the Brute Squad. Sustaining heavy losses would be very very suspicious and would also likely get him removed from his position.
Also, how would he stop them from using death curses to kill themselves?
--- Quote from: Arjan on January 03, 2013, 05:29:30 AM ---I thought you were also talking about cowl being human or not. That one was mentioned as well.
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Ah. Okay.
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