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[CD spoilers] Cowl = Simon reference thread
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Elegast on December 17, 2012, 04:56:02 PM ---That's not proof, but I understood that he intended to turn her into a black court vampire.
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It would seem to me that going from one of the White Court's alpha predators to a helpless victim would be enough of a change to justify that statement.
knnn:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on December 17, 2012, 04:56:33 PM ---or you dont have to be a master to turn things.
and wasnt oen eye channeling his master, mavra?
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No, "Sock Puppet" was a different entity than "One eye" in that scene.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: knnn on December 17, 2012, 04:58:09 PM ---No, "Sock Puppet" was a different entity than "One eye" in that scene.
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ahh ok.
still we have no evidence outside of the game manual that says a BC must be a master to turn people. personaly, I belive thats how a BC becomes a master.
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--- Quote from: Second Aristh on December 17, 2012, 05:10:35 AM ---Well, if Cowl is complaining about always doing the hard work, he's also implying some level of cooperation with the other Kemmlerites. Whether or not Cowl was lying is debatable, but you would have to explain why Cowl felt the urge to lie. My copy of DB is not with me at the moment, but doesn't Cowl say that they "play nice" but are always looking to stab each other in the back to be Kemmler's favorite?
Corpsetaker was also confident in taking on (older & scarier) Luccio and the other wardens. Besides, Molly wasn't Corpsetaker's first opponent that night. She had already stalled Harry with shields, taken over Butters, and put the rest of the crew to sleep. A few more moments and Corpsetaker would have steamrolled over Molly too.
At the very least, Corpsetaker and Grevane are at Morgan's level, and in TC Harry said that Eb (the combat specialist) was one of the few that had a good chance of bringing Morgan in.
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Why can't he be cooperating with the kemmlerites while not being a kemmlerite himself? I don't have DB either so I can't answer your second question.
Can someone who has the books give a quote?
I think one of the problems with this discussion is that we don't really know what "SC" level power is so how can we tell if a given characters power level is SC level?
We have only seen two SC members in action: the merlin and Eb. When I think SC level I think of what they have been shown to do in their specialties. I think that if Corpsetaker or Grevane were as powerfull as them in their specialites then Harry and the wardens would have been squished immediately. I personally think that Corpsetaker and Grevane are Morgan level.
cedz:
I really like the Cowl is a formorian (or scion of said race) theory considering some of the subtle clues that have happened whenever he is onscreen. One particular discription has stuck with me recently since I did a re-read of Dead Beat:
--- Quote ---Quote from Dead Beat:
Cowl's fingers formed into a rigid claw and he snarled a word I couldn't quite hear, slashing at the air.
There was a surge of power, darker this time, somehow more nebulous. The air around them blurred, there was the sudden scent of mildew and lightless waters, a sighing sound, and as quickly as that, they were simply gone.
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The use of the words 'dark' and 'nebulous' to describe the feel of his power, as well as the description of a sudden scent of mildew and lightless waters suggests dark watery depths. Sounds quite formorian in feel to me. It's not definitive but it sure is suspicious when added to some of the other evidence provided.
This doesn't neccessarily discount Cowl being Simon as it might be that he made a deal (Faustian bargain anyone?) with the Formorians for power and they may have altered him physically as well which would account for his warbling non-human voice and how he appeared physically in White Knight.
Lastly Cowl's power has been described by Dresden as being 'cold' but not greasy on multiple occasions. Since during Dead Beat Dresden was dealing with multiple necromancers, he may have just assumed that Cowl's power was also necromantic in nature as apposed to something else that felt very similar (ie formorian flavoured power) just because that's what he was expecting and the power pretty much met all the prerequisites for necromancers (cold, dark, and opposite of how his own power feels). Funnily enough it seems like Cowl didn't actually do any overt necromancy that I can tell during that book other than the ritual at the end. His other ritual was to take out the power in Chicago which seems more neutral than necromantic to me.
Still it's just a theory.
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