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Cold Days Spoilers- Who isn't your Nemesis?
Cenphx:
Not to keep screaming my own theory every time someone says something related, but....i think Harry is infected, has been since he was 16. We have no evidence, that I can think of, to define outsiderbane. It could as easily mean the person who defeats the outsiders as much as it could mean immunity to them. So I think, for the reasons already stated, Mab, Rashid, Uriel, Odin are not infected because too powerful. Infected would be the end of the story. The logic against Lara being infected makes sense. Other than that..'Everyone's a suspect.'
Aluman:
--- Quote from: Clenzor on November 29, 2012, 07:09:09 PM ---Mab could sense it in her Daughter and both of them are much much much younger than God and His Angels. God would be able to sense it in His sons and daughters, and Uriel/other Archangels would be able to sense it in his/her siblings. Hell Harry noticed it in Sith and he knew him for all of a month. There is no way that God or the Archangels could be corrupted because as I said if they were the war would be over, and because they cannot be infected neither can the lower ranking angels.
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Harry realizing it in Sith is more Harry is an investigator, and so can put pieces together, than him Sensing it in Sith. I think its safe to say the Archangels and WG are not infected for the same reason one can presume that Mab, Rashid, and DR are not.
--- Quote ---As for vanillas I am absolutely certain that they could. If not Rashid or Mother Summer would have told him that he could trust them. I also think that Murphy's behavior was very suspect in Cold Days.
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Murphy...I could see, but this is more Who isn't, than Who Might Be. The reality is the Nemesis is much more insidious by making Everyone suspect.
Aluman:
--- Quote from: Cenphx on November 29, 2012, 07:11:48 PM ---Not to keep screaming my own theory every time someone says something related, but....i think Harry is infected, has been since he was 16. We have no evidence, that I can think of, to define outsiderbane. It could as easily mean the person who defeats the outsiders as much as it could mean immunity to them. So I think, for the reasons already stated, Mab, Rashid, Uriel, Odin are not infected because too powerful. Infected would be the end of the story. The logic against Lara being infected makes sense. Other than that..'Everyone's a suspect.'
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I think its hard to accept Harry is infected due to the fact that he stalls or outright stops the plans of the infected too often. While I am not sold on the White King being infected, he stopped Aurora and we know she was infected. We have strong evidence that the first Fivish books were all infected enemies, and Harry killed them all.
Cenphx:
For me, the question isn't whether tWG *could* sense the infection in someone, but whether he/she would intervene even if tWG had the knowledge. I think the answer is no. Now archangels...they seem freer to nudge events, but outright curing someone of infection? I think that is too direct an intervention against events occurring as a result of free will. I dont think they would be curing anyone either. Yes, reality may end eventually as a result, but I dont think that changes anything
sjsharks:
--- Quote from: Clenzor on November 29, 2012, 07:09:09 PM ---Mab could sense it in her Daughter and both of them are much much much younger than God and His Angels. God would be able to sense it in His sons and daughters, and Uriel/other Archangels would be able to sense it in his/her siblings. Hell Harry noticed it in Sith and he knew him for all of a month. There is no way that God or the Archangels could be corrupted because as I said if they were the war would be over, and because they cannot be infected neither can the lower ranking angels.
As for vanillas I am absolutely certain that they could. If not Rashid or Mother Summer would have told him that he could trust them. I also think that Murphy's behavior was very suspect in Cold Days.
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Harry noticed it in Sith because he was directly breaking his word and his bonds, and the Sidhe just don't do that.
Even if TWG and Archangles could detect it, they can't act to do anything about it. Other then placing a very smart wizard close enough to find out and help cure the person ;)
--- Quote from: Aluman on November 29, 2012, 07:09:29 PM ---No they have textual evidence from a known infected agent implying (but not out right saying) that they are not infected.
If Nemesis completely replaces your will with its; Maeve hints that Justine or Lara are not infected when one or the other is, because there is a chance that Harry and Co are successful and it doesn't want to lose a more a highly placed foe.
If Nemesis doesn't replace your will with its; Maeve wants to interogate Justine for the exact reason she lays out.He really isn't. If Rashid is infected, the war is over. Its why him, DR, and Mab are the only ones I will say with 99.99% certainty are not infected. The end result of their infection is loss of reality, since reality exists they can't be infected.
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Justine and Lara still have some form of proof they are infected, even if it isn't the most trust worthy source.
I will add Rashid to the list
--- Quote from: Aluman on November 29, 2012, 07:14:01 PM ---I think its hard to accept Harry is infected due to the fact that he stalls or outright stops the plans of the infected too often. While I am not sold on the White King being infected, he stopped Aurora and we know she was infected. We have strong evidence that the first Fivish books were all infected enemies, and Harry killed them all.
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When did the White King stop Aurora? Also, he works with the Outsiders directly and has them blocking him from magic
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