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Crazy HWWB theory revisited [CD SPOILERS]
Tarion:
--- Quote from: Elegast on November 30, 2012, 10:23:17 PM ---Is there somewhere a list with all the quotes about Harry's migraines?
If no could you help me found them: - I know there are two in TC, one in CD , and some SmF.
Here are some, plz give all the one you have:
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The issue with picking out headaches is that a lot of them are justifiable. Harry essentially makes a living getting beaten up by supernatural creatures.
Storm Front - He complains about a headache, but only after getting his skill pounded by a thug.
--- Quote ---Maybe this had been another reminder from the mob boss. It had that kind of mafioso feel to it.
I staggered to my kitchenette and fixed myself a tisane tea for the headache, then added in some aspirin. Herbal remedies are well and good, but I don't like to take chances.
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Fool Moon - He develops a headache while working on potions and researching Werewolves:
--- Quote ---I tried to ignore the headache that was creeping up the back of my neck toward the crown of my head, but it did little good.
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Grave Peril - He has a headache while hunting for Charity. Maybe justifiable, in that he was stressed. He'd also been drugged earlier (But that caused pleasure, not pain) and had a ghost chew out his magic.
--- Quote ---Hell’s bells, all I had was a headache, an hourglass quickly running out of sand, and a case of the shakes.
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Summer Knight - He develops a headache while researching the Queens
--- Quote ---I felt the headache start at the base of my neck and creep toward the crown of my head. "Okay, Bob. I need to know about these Queens...
I stared at the skull for a second, while the headache settled comfortably in."
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It came back while talking to Meryl
--- Quote ---The headache started coming back. "Look, Meryl, I've got a lot on my plate already."
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Death Masks - No mention of headaches! Or at least, not specifically. He did get hit in the head though:
--- Quote ---Light exploded behind my eyes and I dropped to my hands and knees at the bottom of the stairway. Anna had slugged me with something. A second burst of light and pain drove my head far enough down to splash some cold water against my forehead....
I tried to lift her body, but the effort brought a surge of pain to my head and I almost threw up.
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His head also hurt while being held by Nicodemus.
--- Quote ---I came to my senses in complete darkness, under a stream of freezing water. My head hurt enough to make the wound on my leg feel pleasant by comparison.
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Blood Rites - Harry gets hit in the head. At this point, who's surprised?
--- Quote ---Multiple injuries, including a vicious headache from where Inari had socked me.
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Dead Beat - 3 guesses on what happens.
--- Quote ---I started to look around for the source of the noise.
And then someone hit me on the back of the head.
I remember that part, because I'd been through it before...
Then I stood up. My head pounded with a dull, throbbing beat of pain, and I bowed my head forward for a moment, letting cold rain fall onto the lump forming on the back of my skull. The worst of it passed after a minute, and I got the pain under control. I'd taken harder shots to the head than that one had been, and I didn't have time to coddle myself.
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Proven Guilty - Harry has a headache. He was in a car crash though
--- Quote ---My headache started rising up again...
My headache flared up with a vengeance, and the light of my amulet and staff both faded.
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He then complains of a headache after using his Sight
--- Quote ---“It’ll pass. Just got this damned headache...
My headache finally began to fade away just as Murphy returned...
I spat a few times into the trash can and stood up. My headache started to return.
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Then he gets hit in the head.
--- Quote ---I came to with a headache, and my stomach attempted to slither out of my mouth. Its escape attempt was blocked by some kind of gag. I had the taste of metal in my mouth, and my jaws were forced uncomfortably wide. The blindfold on my face was almost a mercy, given the headache.
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White Night - What looks like another stress headache when Molly looks at the dead girl
--- Quote ---I muttered under my breath, rubbed at the incipient headache beginning between my eyes, and thought dark thoughts.
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Then Little Chicago takes a hit for him
--- Quote ---And then there was a geyser of scarlet pain, as if someone had seized both halves of my skull and torn it into two pieces.
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And another one
--- Quote ---I leaned against a wall—unless maybe, since we were on a ship, it was a bulkhead—and rubbed my finger at a spot between my eyebrows where a headache was coming on.
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Then he gets hit in the head, yet again, although it's healed by Elaine
--- Quote ---My head hurt, even more than it had after Cowl had finished ringing my bells the night before, if such a thing was possible. I didn't want to regain consciousness, if it meant rising into that.
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It pops up a little bit again
--- Quote ---It had been a long night, and despite Elaine's incredible hands, my headache had begun to return
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Small Favor - Harry gets kicked in the nose
--- Quote ---I hunched my shoulders and rolled, only to be kicked in the nose by a cloven hoof, and an utterly gratuitous amount of pain came with a side order of whirling stars.
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Then Mab freezes his eyes
--- Quote ---Mab’s frozen-berry lips lifted in a silent snarl, and the world turned into a curtain of white agony that centered on my eyes. Nothing had ever hurt so much
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And his head hurt some of the times he tried to remember his blasting rod/fire magic
--- Quote ---—a savage pain went through my skull for a second—son of a bitch—...
“Where,” he said gently, “is your blasting rod?”
This time I heard the words.
Pain stabbed me in the head, ice picks plunging into both temples. I flinched and doubled over. Blasting rod. Familiar words. I fought to summon an image of what went with the words, but I couldn’t find anything. I knew I had a memory associated with those words, but try as I might, I couldn’t drag it out. It was like a shape covered by some heavy tarp. I knew an object was beneath, but I couldn’t get to it.
“I don’t…I don’t…” I started breathing faster. The pain got worse.
Someone had been in my head.
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Turn Coat - the actual migraines start:
--- Quote ---They’d been a problem, the past several months—increasingly painful migraines
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The reason I've covered these books in particular is
a) You already got the later ones
and
b) I think it's worth remembering that Harry has always complained about his head hurting. He develops headaches when he's stressed, and if he didn't have Wizard healing, his brains would have been pounded out of his ears by now. He's also had some fairly unpleasant things done to his mind and face. We need to bear that in mind when discussing headaches in the newer books.
I suspect the headaches developing in the spot between his eyes is his usual stress headache (, while the "twin points" headaches are the ones we're interested in. Throbbing pain is when he's been beaten up. However, at the beginning of the series, his headaches crept up the back of his skull.
Basically, my conclusion is that his headaches are all over the place, especially at the beginning of the series. It sort of undermines the real "plot-relevant" headaches.
madness:
I wonder about the pain between his eyebrows and a possible correlation with the symbolic location of his third eye.
Coincidence?
Or perhaps a natural symptom of magic related mental problems?
Serack:
I added one for you elegast, I'll quote it here too.
--- Quote from: FM Ch. 8 ---I tried to ignore the head-ache that was creeping up the back of my neck toward the crown of my head, but it did little good.
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Edit: BTW, this one does not seem to conform to the trends of the other ones in that it is described as starting in his neck, but it's a headache reference, so I'm quoting it to be thorough.
Cenphx:
Wow...helluva list everyone. Before this thread, I really thought a point could be located when Harry's headaches started. But looking at this list, we would need to separate stress headaches vs trauma-induced vs possible lash-regeneration vs possible HWWW parasite activity vs memory tampering pain. Those are a lot of variables to nail down with any accuracy.
Orloth:
--- Quote from: Cenphx on November 28, 2012, 07:02:15 PM ---I have never been able to come up with a satisfactory answer for where Lash was in GS. Anywhere you put her creates other problems.
Like if she was Inez in the cemetary, and I think some of the language Inez used fits a fallen angel kinda nicely, but then, who was Mab's proxy? Since there is a WoJ I believe, that DR and Mab each had a proxy there.
If Lash was the whisperer at the church, then where was Lasciel in the book? Plus, the Whisperer seems more evil and out to get Harry, and I don't peg Lash as that antagonistic.
I suppose Lash could appear as to Harry as another person, like she did in DB as Sheila. I haven't reread GS looking for a character with whom only Harry interacts while he is alone. But this feels like a stretch to me.
So I'm stuck.
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I've always interpreted Leah as being Mab's proxy in Ghost Story. This leaves Inez free to be either Lasciel or Lash, and the bedside shade to be the other. (though I am still in favor of the parasite being Lash, but I'm biased)
@ the headaches: I think we need to home in on the point at which they were specifically pointed out as a recurring problem: Butter's comment in Turn Coat. Before then, most of the headaches can be attributed to stress, trauma, or Geas. Was there anything significant that happened between Small Favor and Turn Coat? A short story? (I don't have Side Jobs nearby to check.) If not, it is certainly safer to assume it has something to do with Lash departing at the end of White Night (which give whatever problem; be it physical, magical, or parasite; time to develop into a full scale problem)(and has been pointed out, there was enough head pain going on in Small Favor that migraines could be easily missed in the Background Radiation).
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