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CD Spoilers: The Case of the Stolen Walking Stick
Viktor:
--- Quote from: Bakoro on December 01, 2012, 09:04:22 AM ---This is interesting. On further reading on the Morrigan, it seems that she was the consort to the Dagda, and she indeed translates quite perfectly into the Winter Queen thing. Depending on the source, it also seems that Morgan Le Fay might have been her human aspect. Considering the relationship between the Dagda/Morrigan and Merlin/Morgan, there might be some credence to the "Odin is Merlin" theory. In the same book we find Vaderung is Odin is Kringle who has Time Powers, and we also see that Merlin is very powerful and has Time Powers AND the mental acuity to work in multiple dimensions- I'd say there's a correlation.
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I think it's more likely that Morgan Le Fay was the Winter Knight, not the aspect of one of the Queens. (She did have the Le Fay name like Maggie did centuries later, after all.)
I don't buy Merlin=Odin, it's too much of a circle jerk. It's also been stated in the DF that Merlin was a human wizard who did legendary things & was merely taught by Odin.
--- Quote --- I personally like the idea that the original Merlin was just a crafty bad-ass wizard. I feel that Odin is Santa is Merlin is taking it one step too far, but I of course trust Jim could make it work and be believable and interesting.
I guess it really depends on which stories Jim draws from. It looks like Morgan Le Fey was originally a supernatural being, and later was reported to be Arthur's half sister. Merlin was supposed to have a demon as his father, I like the idea that Odin is Merlin's Sire better than the two being the same person.
The more I'm looking into it the more things seem to mesh up. Jim specifically mentions Celtic legend and the Dagda story jibs with Arthurian legend and Dresdenology. The thing is that we don't have to go 100% on the real world lore because it all goes through the Jim filter. Lore is a bunch of half-truths anyway.
I am totally open to hearing your thoughts on the matter if you have another line of thought for me to investigate.
I'm just not mentally tying the Blackstaff too tightly to the 1065 AD time frame. That might have been when a change of hands occurred or something.
I immediately could only find a few historically important things of note (thing that I can relate directly to DF) that happened in 1060s Europe:
1063: The River Thames is frozen for 14 weeks. (Obviously something Wintery happened)
1066:
King of England dies, and New King (Harold) gets chosen by a council of old men.
Battle of Hastings, King Harold and all his brothers are killed and England gets taken over.
Dark Ages ends, Middle Ages begin.
End of the Viking Age in England.
We have a little bit to work with there in terms of guessing at the powers and meaning behind those events, but as far as lore and mythology goes I'm at a total lose as to were else I should be looking.
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That's a LOT of incredibly historic stuff taking place over a relatively short period of time. Wow, yeah I can sense that I'm going to be doing some major research about those things soon. Thanks! :)
Esa:
Not sure how reliable, but here's another possibility
--- Quote ---Cailleac Bhuer (call-y'ac V'fhoor) - Also called the Blue Hag or Stone Woman. She originates in Scotland and is an old woman of human size who walks by night with a walking stick made of holly with the carved head of a crow on top. A large carrion crow sits on her left shoulder and a touch from her magical staff means instant death to a human. If her staff is found unattended it will give its owner the power of enchantment.
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I'm trying to hunt down a story of it being left unattended
Esa:
Ok, yeah... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cailleach = winter queen/hag
ebliss1:
I also picked up on the missing walking stick = blackstaff connection. My guess is that the blackstaff veils itself so that Mother Winter cannot sense where it is or who has it.
Now, we have WoJ that the next book will feature the Denarians and will be a heist book. Anyone want to wager that Nic or one of his ilk somehow spots the blackstaff in Eb's possession, and gets word to Mother Winter about its location. Mother Winter then orders the Winter Knight to steal back the staff from Eb for her.
That scenario would be just chock-full of possibilities.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: ebliss1 on December 01, 2012, 11:44:09 PM ---I also picked up on the missing walking stick = blackstaff connection. My guess is that the blackstaff veils itself so that Mother Winter cannot sense where it is or who has it.
Now, we have WoJ that the next book will feature the Denarians and will be a heist book. Anyone want to wager that Nic or one of his ilk somehow spots the blackstaff in Eb's possession, and gets word to Mother Winter about its location. Mother Winter then orders the Winter Knight to steal back the staff from Eb for her.
That scenario would be just chock-full of possibilities.
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Wouldn't get just ignore Mother Winter in that case since part of his agreement is no being sent after loved ones?
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