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The identity of the Mothers [CD spoilers]
FirstSelector:
I like this idea. I will admit that bringing up the three goddesses idea seemed to distract from my original idea a bit (tying in the Mothers to the Fates), but if instead the three Fates are some combination of traits from each of the various Queens (Mother Winter's malice, Titania's motheriness, and the Ladies' youthfulness), that would clear up the issue.
I also admit that I saw Mother Summer and Winter interacting a bit like Granny Weatherwax and Nanny Ogg (from Discworld) in my head.
However, that begs the question of how the Mothers came to be in the first place. We know Mab was mortal once and a WoJ suggests she got her power via an ascension ritual. But Mother Winter has never stepped down (while Mother Summer did, which is another interesting topic in and of itself), so Mother Winter must have either existed before and took up a new role or was mortal herself.
Tami Seven:
--- Quote from: FirstSelector on November 28, 2012, 10:23:22 AM ---I like this idea. I will admit that bringing up the three goddesses idea seemed to distract from my original idea a bit (tying in the Mothers to the Fates), but if instead the three Fates are some combination of traits from each of the various Queens (Mother Winter's malice, Titania's motheriness, and the Ladies' youthfulness), that would clear up the issue.
I also admit that I saw Mother Summer and Winter interacting a bit like Granny Weatherwax and Nanny Ogg (from Discworld) in my head.
However, that begs the question of how the Mothers came to be in the first place. We know Mab was mortal once and a WoJ suggests she got her power via an ascension ritual. But Mother Winter has never stepped down (while Mother Summer did, which is another interesting topic in and of itself), so Mother Winter must have either existed before and took up a new role or was mortal herself.
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It's the position, not the current holder of the position that is important. Wasn't it said someplace that Fae don't reproduce with other Fae but with mortals? Meaning that most new Fae started out as changelings? Though creating a Fae from a mortal, (aka Molly) is not something I fully expected to be possible but I guess it is.
One note, one of the names used by Harry to Summon Mother Winter was Skuld. In Norse myth, Skuld is the Norn of the Future. Mother Winter should have been summoned using the name Uršr (Or Urd).
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Tami Seven on November 28, 2012, 11:41:43 AM ---One note, one of the names used by Harry to Summon Mother Winter was Skuld. In Norse myth, Skuld is the Norn of the Future. Mother Winter should have been summoned using the name Uršr (Or Urd).
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Why? Death, cold and darkness is the future of the universe. So Skuld does seem more logical.
Tami Seven:
--- Quote from: Elegast on November 28, 2012, 11:44:51 AM ---Why? Death, cold and darkness is the future of the universe. So Skuld does seem more logical.
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The future hasn't happened yet, so is usually represented as the youngest (like with baby new year, or the three goddesses in the Manga), the one creates the threads of fate. The past has happened, so is the oldest, the one who cuts the threads of fate.
Villentretenmerth:
--- Quote from: FirstSelector on November 28, 2012, 01:17:00 AM ---I don't disagree that they may have other, older names - we certainly have evidence that several mythological entities may in fact be different facets of the same being. In fact, I think it is very likely that they have additional "masks," as it were.
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It's not likely, it's fact - confirmed at the end of the book by a certain overly clever one-eyed dude.
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