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AcornArmy:
--- Quote from: Serack on November 16, 2012, 08:53:49 PM ---When did Harry first start having /significant/ headaches? SmF?
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He had them in SmF, yes, but the headaches in SmF didn't start until after he got kicked in the face and had his nose broken. The book didn't open up with him having headaches. Turn Coat did open up that way, though, mentioning that the headaches had been continuing for the past several months. But I think it's important to note that there seems to have been something like a year and a half between SmF and TC-- SmF takes place in November of 8 ASF and TC takes place in the summer of 10 ASF-- so "the past several months" wouldn't seem to come close to covering that amount of time. This, to me, suggests that the headaches in TC are unrelated to the headaches in SmF.
At a guess, the sequence of events seems to have been: the SmF headaches got better, Harry's nose healed, and a year or so passed. Then, several months before Turn Coat, Harry started getting headaches again, migraines, with no apparent cause. Many people, myself included, believe these were probably the Ice Cream Headaches of Paradox.
Serack:
--- Quote from: AcornArmy on November 16, 2012, 09:15:23 PM ---He had them in SmF, yes, but the headaches in SmF didn't start until after he got kicked in the face and had his nose broken. The book didn't open up with him having headaches. Turn Coat did open up that way, though, mentioning that the headaches had been continuing for the past several months. But I think it's important to note that there seems to have been something like a year and a half between SmF and TC-- SmF takes place in November of 8 ASF and TC takes place in the summer of 10 ASF-- so "the past several months" wouldn't seem to come close to covering that amount of time. This, to me, suggests that the headaches in TC are unrelated to the headaches in SmF.
At a guess, the sequence of events seems to have been: the SmF headaches got better, Harry's nose healed, and a year or so passed. Then, several months before Turn Coat, Harry started getting headaches again, migraines, with no apparent cause. Many people, myself included, believe these were probably the Ice Cream Headaches of Paradox.
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I thought the quacker had tied them to a similar headache associated with Mab's Memory mod involving his fire magic, thus tying them to the "tarp" over LC.
AcornArmy:
--- Quote from: Serack on November 16, 2012, 09:24:07 PM ---I thought the quacker had tied them to a similar headache associated with Mab's Memory mod involving his fire magic, thus tying them to the "tarp" over LC.
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I don't remember much about the "tarp over LC" idea. It always seemed kinda flimsy to me, seemingly based entirely on a lack of mention in Changes, rather than the mention of any specific evidence.
Harry did have sharp, piercing headaches whenever he tried to remember his blasting rod in SmF, but those weren't continuous things. They seemed to happen whenever his thoughts got too close to the subject of fire magic, which Mab had blocked from his mind. They weren't an always-on thing, and they passed without Harry even really noticing them, except to think, "Wtf??"-- at least, up until Michael brought it to his attention, and then he collapsed.
But those headaches didn't leave him lying on the couch with a migraine on and off for months, the way he was at the beginning of Turn Coat. For a memory-mod headache to do that, from the example shown in SmF, Harry would have to be constantly reminded of something he'd been forced to forget. Otherwise the headache would pass and he'd move on to thinking about something else, the way he did in SmF-- at least, if the example of the fire magic block in Small Favor is indicative of how those kinds of headaches work. It doesn't seem like Little Chicago would be something which would demand his attention frequently enough to account for the migraines in TC.
Aside from that, I don't remember anything about the tarp/memory-mod theory. Someone else will have to describe it, if you want to add stuff in about it.
Cozarkian:
--- Quote from: Serack on November 16, 2012, 09:24:07 PM ---I thought the quacker had tied them to a similar headache associated with Mab's Memory mod involving his fire magic, thus tying them to the "tarp" over LC.
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The quacker's theory is that JB used a tarp to provide a clue that Mab was the source of both headaches. The first time because she removed Harry's memories of fire magic, the second time because she removed his memories of LC. Even if this theory is correct, the headaches were not continuous - they first series stopped in SmF and the second started pre-TC.
Serack:
--- Quote from: AcornArmy on November 16, 2012, 09:54:50 PM ---I don't remember much about the "tarp over LC" idea. It always seemed kinda flimsy to me, seemingly based entirely on a lack of mention in Changes, rather than the mention of any specific evidence.
Harry did have sharp, piercing headaches whenever he tried to remember his blasting rod in SmF, but those weren't continuous things. They seemed to happen whenever his thoughts got too close to the subject of fire magic, which Mab had blocked from his mind. They weren't an always-on thing, and they passed without Harry even really noticing them, except to think, "Wtf??"-- at least, up until Michael brought it to his attention, and then he collapsed.
But those headaches didn't leave him lying on the couch with a migraine on and off for months, the way he was at the beginning of Turn Coat. For a memory-mod headache to do that, from the example shown in SmF, Harry would have to be constantly reminded of something he'd been forced to forget. Otherwise the headache would pass and he'd move on to thinking about something else, the way he did in SmF-- at least, if the example of the fire magic block in Small Favor is indicative of how those kinds of headaches work. It doesn't seem like Little Chicago would be something which would demand his attention frequently enough to account for the migraines in TC.
Aside from that, I don't remember anything about the tarp/memory-mod theory. Someone else will have to describe it, if you want to add stuff in about it.
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Here's the best writeup of the quackers description
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,32663.msg1452190.html#msg1452190
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