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[CD Sample Chapters - Spoilers] Suggestion Box for the Upcoming Q&As
Arjan:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on January 02, 2013, 09:23:51 PM ---Is a being without Free Will worth less than a being with Free Will? If you do bad things to a being without Free Will, is that okay? How should they be treated? Like humans? LIke animals? If you have a choice between saving either an unrepentant serial killer or a friendly being without Free Will, is it immoral to save the friendly being since the mortal could have changed his ways?
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So kill Mouse if he attacks the serial killer?
123456789blaaa:
--- Quote from: Arjan on January 02, 2013, 10:44:50 PM ---So kill Mouse if he attacks the serial killer?
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I don't know. That's why I'm asking.
--- Quote ---How do you come up with the bounds between Characters free will and the Divine Hand?
For the Dresden Files, the whole point of The Almighty positive good forces that are out there is that free will is important and they respect that and you've gotta have it and use it. That's the entire point. They are a force of freedom. And it's the bad guys who are going around doing whatever they can to abrogate free will. So for me, where you draw the line is what defines where good stops and evil starts is by how much you're taking away free will and how much you're enabling it.
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If I had to take a stab at an explanation that I think Jim would give, I would say that presumably Mouse is attacking for a good reason (the serial killer is trying to kill someone or Harry or whatever). Normally Harry's Free Will and The SK's Free Will are equal and so their lives are both of equal worth. However, if the serial killer kills Harry or Mouse or some other being that Mouse deems worthy of protecting, the total Free Will and/or potential for enabling Free Will (this is why beings without Free Will get a pass. Sometimes they can enable Free Will) goes down (not to mention he'll probably do it again). In order to preserve maximum Free Will the serial killers Free Will must be taken away (in an ideal situation this would never happen but the Dresdenverse is not an ideal world).
Now if Mouse just attacked the serial killer for no good reason than you might be justified in killing him. Ideally you would just subdue him because he has potential for enabling Free Will though.
Keep in mind that I'm tired right now and I'm probably forgetting some things.
Ben de Wal:
--- Quote from: 123456789blaaa on January 02, 2013, 09:26:50 PM ---You've said before that human beings are the only beings that have Free Will. However we have since learned that angels are all soul and so presumably have Free Will (plus how did Lucifer Fall if he didn't have Free Will?). Can a Fallen be redeemed or do they lose their Free Will after they Fall?
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angels don't have free will they hav to act with in set pramiters, countering the fallen is one thats why uriel can only wisper 7 words to harry
123456789blaaa:
--- Quote from: Ben de Wal on January 03, 2013, 02:33:28 AM --- angels don't have free will they hav to act with in set pramiters, countering the fallen is one thats why uriel can only wisper 7 words to harry
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The whole thing with angels and Free Will is much much murkier than you say. To take one example, how did Satan fall if he didn't have Free Will?
Ben de Wal:
could be :D maybe they had it before motals came about and since they had so much power they had to have restriction on there abilty to effect the mortal world
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