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King Ash:
--- Quote ---I read that passage in Changes a bit differently. It wasn't that they used the very same ritual when Cortes came through, but that the Reds haven't used the location since Cortes conquered the Aztecs. Do we know what supernatural group Cortes was associated with that the Ramps weren't able to stop his conquest?
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Well Cortez was a Spaniard so I am presuming that the christian powers were backing him up. According to changes the Rampires are one of the most vulnerable beings to faith magic, so maybe a bunch of christian Spanish soldiers were enough to cause grief to even a bunch of Rampire turned gods.
astrogat:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on November 16, 2012, 05:06:26 PM ---That's not book 1, that's a quote from book 8.
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He has come a long way from that to, mainly because of Molly.
It might also be that he underestimates himself. He grew up with Justin, I can very well see him being bad at praising people. Then he has mostly fought things far bigger than himself. He has never (as far as I know, except Elain a long time ago) had a change to test himself against someone in his own league. Morgan seems to consider him good, and I would value that testimony way higher than Harrys own judgment (he is after all not a particularly smart man, when it comes to himself).
Aesir:
--- Quote from: King Ash on November 16, 2012, 08:40:45 PM ---Well Cortez was a Spaniard so I am presuming that the christian powers were backing him up. According to changes the Rampires are one of the most vulnerable beings to faith magic, so maybe a bunch of christian Spanish soldiers were enough to cause grief to even a bunch of Rampire turned gods.
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Your reasoning sounds good to me. If called upon by those with true faith fighting the good fight against murderously evil Ramps, I don't doubt that the White God's angels would do everything legally allowed under the restrictive rules they operate under to keep their people safe. This is probably the most likely possibility.
--- Quote from: astrogat on November 16, 2012, 09:26:49 PM ---He has come a long way from that to, mainly because of Molly.
It might also be that he underestimates himself. He grew up with Justin, I can very well see him being bad at praising people. Then he has mostly fought things far bigger than himself. He has never (as far as I know, except Elain a long time ago) had a change to test himself against someone in his own league. Morgan seems to consider him good, and I would value that testimony way higher than Harrys own judgment (he is after all not a particularly smart man, when it comes to himself).
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While my rebuttal went off in a different direction, I'm in agreement with your reasoning as well. Harry has gotten quite a bit better since he started teaching Molly, and he does have a tendency of underrating himself. I'll take Morgan and Eb's opinions of Harry over Harry's own opinions of himself any day.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: King Ash on November 16, 2012, 08:40:45 PM ---Well Cortez was a Spaniard so I am presuming that the christian powers were backing him up. According to changes the Rampires are one of the most vulnerable beings to faith magic, so maybe a bunch of christian Spanish soldiers were enough to cause grief to even a bunch of Rampire turned gods.
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Michael's faith was only enough to get him victory against 3 or 4, and faith doesn't stop spells, they probably needed to have supernatural backup of some description if they were trying to take on Red Court forces.
rad:
--- Quote ---Michael's faith was only enough to get him victory against 3 or 4, and faith doesn't stop spells, they probably needed to have supernatural backup of some description if they were trying to take on Red Court forces.
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Well... there is more going on than that. We have a group of very faithful and well armed soldiers at the core (priests too). They would have every sort of Christian implement with them and many of them imbedded into their own arms and armor. You also had the reds without any kind of metal arms and armor. Next you have an incredibly large number of local tribes turning on them. It was not only the Spaniards but an entire army of rebels that had numbers to go against the Reds. Finally, and most importantly, you have disease imagine having a plague which wipes out 1/3 of your food supply come right before this army. Mix it all together and you fall apart.
This is of course discounting the idea of having a sword, or three, suddenly appearing in South America and altering chance for everything to go right.
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