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The YLC (Why Little Chicago) thread
KnightShade:
You're right, I misquoted the passage. He hasn't admitted to it, but outright stated he has license to. Which, ultimately, still supports either theory.
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Serack on September 14, 2012, 01:36:19 PM ---
#2 part 2 LC v2.0
If the point of LC was to show that Harry was building thaumaturgy muscle (specifically with theater spanning voodoo dolls) and the logical progression after the first one was destroyed is that he would build a 2nd that is more ambitious, what will v2.0 be like?
I suspect that such a device would somehow be tied to Demonreach. There is good reason to believe that Harry will end up dwelling in the hut by the lighthouse, and that will be where his new lab will be... So I posit that either LCv2.0 will be one of 2 things.
* A portable model of Demonreach that he can carry around and use as a portable link to the benefits of that sanctum.
* A fixed model of something else (the world?) built in a new lab on Demonreach. This diserves some extra bullets
* Harry's new ability to go pretty much anywhere he wants via ways his mother found would certainly help facilitate gathering material for thaumaturgy links for such a model.
* Such a model might have some interesting interactions with Harry's Demoreach Sanctum benefits. Intelectus wherever the model goes?
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I'm a bit late to the game (just discovered the thread), but I find the idea awesome (the Little Earth version).
It would be an absolutely massive undertaking, but if anyone can do it it's Harry:
* he can use Bob for the magical theory
* he has soulfire which would be perfect for that kind of thing
* he has the knowledge of the Ways to collect all the ingredients
* he has an army of fae to help him collect them all
* he can use Demonreach to fuel the construct (just extrapolating the numbers from LC shows that gigantic quantities of magical power would be necessary)
* Demonreach's intellectus would give him a deep link to the focus, he may even be able to "fell" the entirety of it: imaging "being" Earth!
Cozarkian:
Another very nice theory Serack, but I don't think the whole purpose of LC was to foreshadow a new and improved LC. If that was the case, I think JB would have destroyed it much quicker (so he could focus on Harry's anguish at losing something he just spent 6 months building after using it only once) rather than letting it sit around and stew largely unused for several novels. Thus, I think LC has already been extremely important, and we just don't know it.
Turning to who fixed LC, we have problem #2 - none of the candidates who could fix LC without creating a paradox have a motive to do so. First, none of Harry's present-day allies had both the knowledge and means to fix LC. Time-travel theories suffer because you just can't learn, in the future, that Harry was suppose to die in the past and then go back and stop it without creating a paradox. Finally, Mab's style of helping Harry is more along the lines of "let me rip out your memories of fire magic and steal your blasting rod" rather than "let me graciously save your life and give you a powerful magical tool at the same time." Let's be honest, when Harry used LC in PG the only thing he learned is something that - in his own hindsight - he should have already figured out. Mab is clever enough to find some other way to lead Harry to the theater without secretly fixing LC.
Of course there is a single conclusion that will solve both of these problems: whoever fixed LC did NOT do it to save Harry's life, they did it because they needed to use LC. This solves problem #1 because LC has already been used for a significant purpose that will be revealed in a future novel. It solves problem #2 because it expands the possibilities of who fixed LC beyond the paradoxical "time traveled from the future just to save Harry" candidates. Honestly, if it was time travel, I'd be much more willing to accept it as non-paradoxical if saving Harry is a byproduct of the real goal. It also makes a lot more sense if Mab fixed LC because she had another use for it beyond it being necessary to help Harry.
bobs_other_skull:
--- Quote from: robertltux on September 14, 2012, 04:52:54 PM ---and of course there is always the Harry Will Rebuild Little Chicago later thing.
Isn't the best reason for a 2.0 that you lost the 1.0 version??
With LC 1.0 Harry proved IT CAN BE DONE so he could get various Winter Minions to help gather the bits and chunks to do a New Version (he could in fact make an even BIGGER ONE) and add new features like a WayMaker and such. (Hmm what would happen if Harry FORZAREd the replica of a building with LC "online"??)
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Jim said he wanted Harry to be "like a nerd" sometime back. I think LC is Harry nerd'ing out while he learns the rules. He also did the summoning circle that seemed overly elaborate. In SMF Harry mentioned to Murphy that most magic was symbolism and that's why he could use a circle instead of a pentagram. Until GS, Harry was big on the physical side of things, like the blasting rod; not that he was bad at magic but needed the focus to refine the outcome. I think GS is will be underrated in that Harry had to do everything with different symbols in a new rule system. Kind of like Harry taking a "Modern Algebra" class; the old rules and operations work for a different plane. I think LC 2.0 will be more symbolic, from ice maybe, with just enough thaumaturgy to make it function and enough symbols for him to use it. In mathematical and programming terms, he'll know which parts he can abstract and which parts need to be represented. LC2.0 had better work or Ms Duck may not be around to have Mab fix it next time.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Cozarkian on November 02, 2012, 03:19:17 PM ---Time-travel theories suffer because you just can't learn, in the future, that Harry was suppose to die in the past and then go back and stop it without creating a paradox.
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Possibly the take-home message here is, Bob's wrong about paradoxes being a problem ?
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