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Reference: X compared to Y = possible Discrepancy?
Quantus:
--- Quote from: Sharlee on August 15, 2014, 06:14:57 AM ---Inanimate matter penetrating an empowered circle can only break it if the individual who applies that matter wills it to do so. We saw that way back in the first book's introduction of magic circles, when Harry empowered the faerie trap, then laid leaves and twigs over it so Toot-toot wouldn't see it. So long as Harry doesn't will the twigs and leaves, or the wet cement, to disrupt a circle, he can dump stuff on it all day long without a problem.
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Close but not quite. The person doesnt have to consciously Will it, they just have to have Free Will to do it. So Toot or Bob cannot break the circle (which is why Bob was able to toss harry a potion through a circle in SF. However if he accidentally knocks something over the circle that is, in Uriel's words, "A Fair Ball." That is supposedly one of the most common amateur mistakes young summoners make, and why harry always so careful cleans the area around the circle before he attempts summoning. Its also apparently why Cats are so common as pets for practitioners, because for reasons unknown they can freely cross Circles without disrupting them.
I wonder if that makes it harder to contain Cat-based magical creatures, and if it applies to all Felines or only the domestic breeds? Hmmm...
Mr. Death:
The thing with Toot's circle is that the leaves and twigs were, in a way, part of the material of the circle -- Harry dug the circle out of earth, and twigs and leaves count as part of "earth," at least in Harry's mind.
The concrete would work similarly -- Harry considers it part of the floor that he's dug into, so it's not disrupting the circle's make-up.
Sharlee:
--- Quote from: Quantus on August 15, 2014, 01:27:48 PM ---Close but not quite. The person doesnt have to consciously Will it, they just have to have Free Will to do it. So Toot or Bob cannot break the circle (which is why Bob was able to toss harry a potion through a circle in SF). However if he accidentally knocks something over the circle that is, in Uriel's words, "A Fair Ball." That is supposedly one of the most common amateur mistakes young summoners make, and why harry always so careful cleans the area around the circle before he attempts summoning.
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So now Shagnasty has free will? He used a circle to break Harry's soulfire-lasso, so unless skinwalkers have free will, it can't be a prerequisite for circle magic. As for cleaning the area around a circle and laying it out precisely, that's what's necessary to prepare a circle before it's empowered, to make it operate as efficiently as possible so it can be infused with more energy and restrain more powerful beings.
Sharlee:
--- Quote from: Ziggelly on June 26, 2012, 11:52:41 PM ---Yeah, I'd say that the cemetery one is Mavra. But there's no reason for them to get a count of six when there are seven places.
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Maybe Harry'd initially been thinking that there were six places to investigate, as he already knew how one of the seven locations had become marked by necromantic power? The jump from six unaccounted-for places to six necromancers was where the mistake cropped up, possibly from a worst-case-scenario fallacy: Harry knows he's in deep trouble, and unconsciously inflates that trouble in his mind.
Either that, or the process of revising that scene's text accidentally dropped a line in which Harry deduces that the ink spot for the graveyard is easily accounted for: it's where Grevane must've animated those other zombies he'd brought with him to the Forensics Institute. (It's a pretty safe bet that he wouldn't drag a bunch of undead along on the Way to Chicago, where any passing Warden might notice them or their dark energies, and hauling them into town by car or train is even more conspicuous.) So, that gives two of the spots on Mort's map to Grevane, leaving five unaccounted for.
Sharlee:
--- Quote from: Ziggelly on June 26, 2012, 02:12:00 AM ---Certainly. Kemmler stuff, take two:
Those two accounts seem fairly different, don't you think? I mean, I wouldn't consider 1961 as being even close to "during" WW2, as has been pointed out.
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Kemmler's the one who taught Corpsetaker everything she knew. Who's to say he didn't stick around as a shade, same as she did? The Council could've finally whacked his body for keeps during WWII, then come back and cleaned up the Ghost of Kemmler in 1961.
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