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PG: combining Neurovore and Knnn.
Thork:
I definitely agree insofar as I think it's very, very possible, even likely, that the "Circle" / "Black Council" is not anywhere near as unified or cohesive a group as we may expect them to be. Martin's quote on how every time the White Council achieved even a minor stalemate, the entire Red Court dissolved into horribly divisive infighting, makes me strongly suspect that a similar mechanic is occurring between members of "The Circle," whomsoever they are.
Hell, if we're correct that the Erlking handed out the Hexenwolf belts, then perhaps Cowl's goal in Dead Beat wasn't so much the assumption of power per se, but just to take out a rival member of said Circle (the Erlking) by consuming his power necromantically.
EDIT: it's possible that many of the plots we've seen so far are actually competing power plays by members of the Circle against each other.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on May 07, 2012, 04:48:10 PM ---We know that the Council destroy information related specifically to dangerous lawbreaking - like Kemmler's writings, as Bob says at the start of DB. That's one reason to think information about Outsiders is limited and not in common currency.
Harry knows precious little about them, and him getting new information about them is a big deal when it happens. That's another.
For those of you who believe the Oblivion War is what it seems to be, there's an additional set of people whose actions would work against Outsider knowledge being common.
The thing about Justin and Lord R both having Outsidery knowledge is that we have an established connection between them; they were both associates of Maggie during her time on the dark side. They may not always have been working with the same motivations but the information there could totally have flowed from one of them to the other without needing any more supporting evidence than what we have now. Fitting Cowl in with that cabal would reduce every demonstrated non-White Council bit of Outsider knowledge to one source, and with the above points for Outsider knowledge being restricted, I find that plausible. (Cowl being Simon would make this particularly neat.)
I'm not seeing where you're getting the Black Court having Outsider connections from, though Mavra getting them through Cowl would fit with my take on things here. I can totally buy your living nuclear weapons analogy if we consider the Dresdenverse now as being somewhere in the mid-1940s as proliferation goes, but I think they'd be a sight better known if lots of power groups had the capacity to call on them.
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thing is , lovecraft did write a few books on the subject. as did the mad arab. much like nuclear secrets, everyone knows the general details but very few people know how to make uranium hexa fluriode, or how to focus the blast shell. And i suspect every major oprginization has a department full of boffins figuring that out.
as to the black court, i get that from lash's comments in WN
as to the real world analogy, i see the series as two parts-
the first dozen books are set in nthe 1950s, with the ex allies conesting for power, with the reds as the soviet union, the white court as china, the WC as nato, and the black court being the leftover nazis hiding in argentina.
the post changes books i see as after the fall of the soviets. Now wether the BC will rise up, hydra like, is up to JIm.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on May 07, 2012, 05:09:03 PM ---thing is , lovecraft did write a few books on the subject. as did the mad arab.
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And so far as we have any relevant information, the Council shut them both down, which i think supports my point.
--- Quote ---as to the black court, i get that from lash's comments in WN
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To what are you referring here ?
--- Quote ---the first dozen books are set in nthe 1950s, with the ex allies conesting for power, with the reds as the soviet union, the white court as china, the WC as nato, and the black court being the leftover nazis hiding in argentina.
the post changes books i see as after the fall of the soviets. Now wether the BC will rise up, hydra like, is up to JIm.
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i suspect that the latter half of the casebooks will be more like the post-fall-of-the-Soviet-Union chaos people like Anthony Price were afraid of than the realities of the post-fall-of-the-Soviet-Union world, fwiw.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on May 07, 2012, 06:10:34 PM ---And so far as we have any relevant information, the Council shut them both down, which i think supports my point.
To what are you referring here ?
i suspect that the latter half of the casebooks will be more like the post-fall-of-the-Soviet-Union chaos people like Anthony Price were afraid of than the realities of the post-fall-of-the-Soviet-Union world, fwiw.
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as stoker was 'killed for being delicous' and lovecraft may have had a simillar fate, im not sure the WCouncil was involved. all we know about them was the gatekeeper killed the mad arab, likely for gatekeerper reasons
and the last thing lash says, about harrys mother, the black court, and the outsiders. i cant quote now, anyone have it available?
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on May 07, 2012, 06:15:43 PM ---as stoker was 'killed for being delicous' and lovecraft may have had a simillar fate, im not sure the WCouncil was involved. all we know about them was the gatekeeper killed the mad arab, likely for gatekeerper reasons
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I'm kind of thinking that "Gatekeeper reasons" are likely to map fairly closely onto "keep the Outsiders out" and thence logically to "shut down any information about them that's floating around"; it seems to me to be implicit in the job title.
--- Quote ---and the last thing lash says, about harrys mother, the black court, and the outsiders. i cant quote now, anyone have it available?
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The "complex set of circumstances" bit ? I'm in work without my books, but I'm not remembering anything about the Black Court in it.
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