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PG: combining Neurovore and Knnn.
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on May 05, 2012, 06:10:01 PM ---We have multiple theories for that one:
5- the Oberon connection. It has liitle to do with Molly, and everything to do with harry
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Could you explain?
--- Quote ---5- Molly is the once and future king. Mab has forseen this. It's Molly's destiny to wield ammorichus in battle against the outsiders.
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I thought Jim said he didn't know who will wield amorracchius, and that Molly's destiny could still change.
Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: Elegast on May 05, 2012, 06:14:25 PM ---Could you explain?
I thought Jim said he didn't know who will wield amorracchius, and that Molly's destiny could still change.
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I think Jim isnt sure yet of how much of the King arthur to throw in, He probably has several alternative version, depending on how it 'sounds out' when written.
Oberon is the King of the Sidhe, lord of the queens. He is a wizard, and in some versions, was once mortal or is half mortal. he is the son of Morgan Le Fey.
This is one of the classic 'why is Mab obsessed with Harry theories'; He is her future King of myht, long prophecied. It has some evidnece, in tha mab often speaks of harry in the future tense, and so far, has been correct each time.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on May 05, 2012, 05:25:49 PM ---1- Lea could not take on HWWB, but harry could, and he did not need to use summer fire to do so; his ordinary magic was more than enough. So its not sidhe magic, its outsider bane magic that hurts outsiders.
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You read that WoJ as saying Lea's magic could not affect HWWB, but I can see several other options. (It takes a human to summon an outsider so Lea could not get at HWWB. Lea does not have the free will to go after HWWB unless HWWB does something directly offensive against Faerie. Lea going after HWWB would start a war between Winter and the Lord of Slowest Terror which would be a really bad thing.)
--- Quote ---2. Lord Raith was still breathing in BR. Now, I believe that Lea loved Maggie, as much as a sidhe can. LR killed Maggie, and Lea did not seek revenge?
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Whereas to my mind, Lea not coming gunning for Lord R fits with the "Faerie are psychologically alien" perspective, without a specific bargain she has nothing to avenge, and loving Maggie or anyone else is utterly outside Lea's capacities.
Vairelome:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on May 05, 2012, 05:25:49 PM ---(before people scream about the dagger causing Mab's madness, let me point out that: we have woj that the dagger hurt her, and the reason she cant talk is she's pissed. And it was maeve that sugested she has fallen in love with harry, and then we have lea's comments about love causing madness.)
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Actually, I believe the WoJ was merely confirming a reader theory that Mab was injured (cause unspecified), not that the dagger had hurt her. I have a pet theory that the Mab/Lea/athame plotline is shaped more or less as follows:
1) There exists some dire threat to Winter that Lea knows about. She also knows that Mab considers that threat to be out of Lea's league to handle.
2) Lea gets the athame (WoJ: "a vector of power"). Enter hubris: Lea decides that with the athame, she can deal a decisive blow to the aforementioned dire threat.
3) Not surprisingly, Mab was right. Even with the athame, Lea is outmatched and gets stomped.
4) Mab is unwilling to lose her right-hand Sidhe-devil and comes to the rescue; in the process of extracting Lea from the dire threat, Mab is injured.
5) Lea's imprisonment/"therapy" in the frozen garden of Arctis Tor serves as both punishment for her hubris and some form of cleansing from whatever injury/corruption/bad juju Lea had suffered at the hands of the dire threat.
Assumptions/consequences of the above theory:
1) Lea was never disloyal to Mab/Winter. She stepped outside of her proper limits, in defiance of Mab's express or implied wishes, but her "sense of fealty" was always in the right place. While I got the impression that Mab was not pleased with Lea, I never caught a hint that she regarded Lea as untrustworthy in the back-stabby sense.
2) The only corrupting aspect of the athame is the hubris/overconfidence that comes with any possession of great power. If I remember correctly, a Green Lantern Ring isn't corrupting by nature, but I'd bet the overwhelming majority of people would do something they would later regret if they got hold of one.
Bonus guess: The Fomor recently showed up as the ancient enemies of the Fae. Maybe the "dire threat" in my theory is related to the Fomor? Assuming that the Fomor are the Red Court's successors as the BC meat puppets, that might provide an Outsider linkage to Mab and/or Lea's injuries.
Ms Duck:
Does anyone have a searchable copy of the df? I dont have my books, but there is a quote in sk where lea talks about how much she cared for maggie, and one in gp where she talks about how long they were together. Also the comment in pg where maeve talks about love majing the sidhe insane.
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