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PG: combining Neurovore and Knnn.
knnn:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on May 07, 2012, 07:33:48 PM ---Has there been anything in any of Mavra's appearances that might point Harry at associating her with Outsiders, then ?
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Not that I know of. Harry doesn't mention Outsiders very often (he doesn't even find out that HHWB is Outsider till now).
IRC, until now, the only time Harry is aware of actual Outsider encounters until now are the Outsiders mentioned in DB and PG. In neither of those cases is Mavra obviously connected.
- In DB Cowl has an "alibi", so the Outsider-Cowl-Mavra connection isn't really apparent.
- In PG, maybe Sandra Marlin is a Mavra connection.
Vairelome:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on May 07, 2012, 07:36:17 PM ---And there's the troll in "Restoration of Faith", and iirc a number of references to the Alphas driving off minor supernatural predators including some from Winter. The impression I have is that generic Winter fae on Earth can hunt pretty much as they like, and it's only concerted action by or at the instigation of a Queen that needs the mortal concerned to be in some way already entangled with Faerie.
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Actually, I think the troll is an excellent example. As I remember, he says something like "Faith is my lawful prey, being a naughty child crossing my bridge." I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the cases involved people blundering across a limit set by some superstition that permitted a particular type of Fae to consider them fair game. In many faerie tales, mortals can get in some serious trouble by doing something seemingly inconsequential or failing to perform some minor rite. The action or omission was trivial to the mortal, but a big deal to the Fae, so the Fae is permitted to wreak havoc in response.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: knnn on May 07, 2012, 07:48:00 PM ---Not that I know of. Harry doesn't mention Outsiders very often (he doesn't even find out that HHWB is Outsider till now).
IRC, until now, the only time Harry is aware of actual Outsider encounters until now are the Outsiders mentioned in DB and PG. In neither of those cases is Mavra obviously connected.
- In DB Cowl has an "alibi", so the Outsider-Cowl-Mavra connection isn't really apparent.
- In PG, maybe Sandra Marlin is a Mavra connection.
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I think the other problem with it is that mortals have to summon Outsiders. And Blamps aren't really mortals anymore. Otherwise, Wamps and Ramps could do it too.
And as for Cowl's alibi... having just reread parts of that while researching, the Outsiders were involved in attacks as early as 3 days before Halloween. So Cowl COULD have been involved in the initial summoning prior to that, and still shown up in Chicago for the rest. But I agree that there's probably someone else summoning as well. Possibly Peabody?
Kettu:
All the people who were at Splattercon!!! were there because they wanted to feel fear. Maybe that was enough to make them legal prey for the fetches.
Re: BC-Outsider -connection
Harry's subconscious could have drawn this connection if he started with Cowl and Vitto, who was Outsider-backed, working together, and then continued to Cowl, Bianca, and Mavra all being chummy back in Grave Peril. The Outsiders are working with Cowl, Cowl was working with Bianca, Bianca was working with Mavra, ergo there is a connection between Mavra and Outsiders, although it seems weak... Unless his subconscious also noticed something we haven't. A similarity in the feel of Mavra's magic and Outsider magic?
knnn:
--- Quote from: Kettu on May 07, 2012, 08:49:17 PM ---All the people who were at Splattercon!!! were there because they wanted to feel fear. Maybe that was enough to make them legal prey for the fetches.
Re: BC-Outsider -connection
Harry's subconscious could have drawn this connection if he started with Cowl and Vitto, who was Outsider-backed, working together, and then continued to Cowl, Bianca, and Mavra all being chummy back in Grave Peril. The Outsiders are working with Cowl, Cowl was working with Bianca, Bianca was working with Mavra, ergo there is a connection between Mavra and Outsiders, although it seems weak... Unless his subconscious also noticed something we haven't. A similarity in the feel of Mavra's magic and Outsider magic?
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He only just found out that Vitto was in fact Outsider-powered. His subconsciousness must be really quick at making connections...
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