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PG: combining Neurovore and Knnn.
xakko:
--- Quote from: Cenphx on May 04, 2012, 09:58:04 PM ---All this has led me to a somewhat small conundrum: if Harry was the key Mab needed to fight Captain Kudzu, because Kudzu is outsider-boosted, why is it summer's fire that was the key to wounding him? It seems like some sort of outsiderbane-ness should have been the deciding factor, which was what made Harry important to the equation, rather than summer's fire which did the trick. I'm not debating the point that Captain Kudzu was outsider boosted--I think the arguments on that fact are compelling. I know this is a small point to the overall arguments, which are impressive, but I am trying to digest it all....
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The Outsider magic resistance may be related to mortal magic. Maybe summer fire is something else entirely? It is totally inimical to Winter, certainly, and would certainly have injured the fetch seriously if it had no such protection.
I don't suppose Papa Raith would like to go ten rounds with Lea to test this theory? If he lasts more than three seconds, we can assume his magic protection extends to the Sidhe...
Elegast:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on May 04, 2012, 11:01:43 PM ---Thats the piece i doubt the most. We have woj the fetches were sacrificed, and a very small sacrifice for mab. So hes not outsider anything.
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I know this is far-fetched ( ;)), but if Mab didn't intended Harry to pour fire in the well, and didn't want him to kill the Scarecrow, then why did she took Molly in the first place?
Cenphx:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on May 04, 2012, 11:01:43 PM ---Thats the piece i doubt the most. We have woj the fetches were sacrificed, and a very small sacrifice for mab. So hes not outsider anything.
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LOTS of fetches died in PG. The WoJ could be referring to her deliberate loss of the other fetches.
Thork:
Just as an aside, there really needs to be an abbreviation for "black council" that isn't "bc" because every time I see BC I think "Black Court." Except when people mean "black court," in which case I think they mean "black circle." Aaaaarg!
I'm not sure I buy that the Fetch has outsider power; it's certainly possible, but it also seems possible that it just has very, very, deep Winter power as an Ancient fae -- that its immunity to magic is just like the immunity that we're told Ogres have in Summer Knight. (I admit outsider power is a possibility, but I think it less likely; we can explain "cold cold power" as Winter, after all, without necessarily explaining it as Outsider, and that explains why Summer Fire was able to burn it). I think this is the assumption that Jim said was "off."
I agree that much of proven guilty was a plot by the Circle to subvert molly (for all the reasons listed, and also because Dresden might end up committing Suicide By Morgan if Molly went to the White Council Headsman and he couldn't stop it); I think the latter portion was a plot by Mab to subvert Harry, and perhaps ultimately to get him into a position where he'd have to agree to be Winter Knight in exchange for Molly's freedom.
I like the idea that Lea made a deal with the Circle. It even seems likely -- we know that MGLefay Dresden was associated with the Circle, and Lea was the Fae she chose to protect her son, so maybe Lea was also associated somehow (indirectly?) with the Circle. If Lea had made such a bargain, Mab might be bound by it while Lea was imprisoned. It also helps explain why Lea was associated enough with Bianca, Mavra, etc., to get invited to the Banquet; after all, there was no representative of Summer there (at least as far as we know?)
I think the purpose of Kaptain Kudzu was just to harass Harry enough to kick his ass and make him take Winter Knight, but Mab underestimated Harry's resourcefulness.
There are still a number of questions about PG that I've never seen any good discussion of, much less answers for. Who goes back and locks up Pell's theater for him while he's in the hospital?
Hrm. Perhaps the attack on Arctis Tor was an attempt to recover the Athame, after it became clear that Mab was containing its contagion?
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Thork on May 05, 2012, 02:05:16 AM ---I'm not sure I buy that the Fetch has outsider power; it's certainly possible, but it also seems possible that it just has very, very, deep Winter power as an Ancient fae -- that its immunity to magic is just like the immunity that we're told Ogres have in Summer Knight.
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Why then would it not look like a fetch under glamour-breaking ointmentovision ?
--- Quote --- I think the latter portion was a plot by Mab to subvert Harry, and perhaps ultimately to get him into a position where he'd have to agree to be Winter Knight in exchange for Molly's freedom.
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I'm of the opinion that pretty much whatever else is going on, Mab is avoiding talking to Harry there, because if she did, he could say "I'm in the middle of doing you a massive favour here, please take it off my account."
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