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Dark influences on Harry
DragonEyes:
--- Quote from: dimpwnc on March 21, 2012, 06:35:01 PM ---Actually I was thinking the 4th law, the prohibition against enthrallment. Apparently even summoning Toot comes close to breaking that one, and Toot doesn't have a soul either. When Victor Sells summons and binds a demon, according to Harry and Morgan, that also breaks the 4th law. Demons and fey don't have souls, but it isn't ok to bind them to your will, so I assume the same goes for ghosts. I could be wrong, though.
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Okay. I thought that Harry said the laws only applied to mortals?
--- Quote from: Arjan on March 21, 2012, 06:26:26 PM ---There isa difference between a ghost and a shade. A ghost does not have a soul and is fair game :D
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That's a tempting answer, but there are still questions. If that's the case, then there is nothing inherently wrong with the Dark Hallow, since they were pretty much all shades, except the humans that would be killed in the process. Do it without loss of life and its okay. Raising an army of undead ghosts is okay as well.
dimpwnc:
--- Quote from: DragonEyes on March 21, 2012, 06:38:54 PM ---Okay. I thought that Harry said the laws only applied to mortals?
That's a tempting answer, but there are still questions. If that's the case, then there is nothing inherently wrong with the Dark Hallow, since they were pretty much all shades, except the humans that would be killed in the process. Do it without loss of life and its okay. Raising an army of undead ghosts is okay as well.
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I think that's just the necromancy thing. Enthrallment doesn't specify a mortal or a human, and Harry explicitly accuses Victor of breaking it in the 1st book for having summoned and bound the trenchcoatted toad demon. (Morgan also accuses Harry of the same, claiming that it is against the 4th law)
I think he also reiterates the point in book 1, book 4, and book 10, saying how careful he is to imbue the words he uses to call Toot with as little will as possible to avoid breaking the law.
prince lotore:
I think in killing cassius harry was in the right by all the rules but the fact that harry felt that cassius should die because of the life he led and that harry was the one to pull the trigger is where his guilt comes from
Jay051684:
--- Quote from: DragonEyes on March 20, 2012, 07:55:50 PM ---No, but he does apparently need a trial when there isn't an immediate danger, otherwise the trial at the beginning of PG makes no sense.
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I don't think that "trial" was needed for anything other than to make Harry uncomfortable. I thought Harry even said that.
DragonEyes:
--- Quote from: Jay051684 on March 23, 2012, 04:27:40 PM ---I don't think that "trial" was needed for anything other than to make Harry uncomfortable. I thought Harry even said that.
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I think the trials are mostly a formality because the Warden's testimony is so absolute, but they are still a formality. If a Warden wants to kill a warlock he can say whatever he needs to to be able to do it.
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