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Dark influences on Harry
Richard_Chilton:
--- Quote from: Veritas on March 20, 2012, 05:29:52 PM ---Mercy killing?
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I didn't say that it would be a mercy killing - only that Harry could have rationalise it as a mercy killing. He didn't because he didn't have to. Harry had spent years getting used to the self image of "Harry - a cold blooded killer when he has to be". I'm not saying he's completely jaded, but the second one is always easier. That's the stain spreading on his self image if not his soul.
--- Quote from: Piotr1600 on March 20, 2012, 05:49:27 PM ---A little OT:
Harry killing Cassius can't truly be considered a "cold blooded killing" in my opinion.
The simple fact that Cassius was a competent sorcerer means that even if he was on his way out in a month (or even the next few minutes) Cassius was an existential threat to Harry until Cassius was dead. In my opinion, that makes it - however cold or not it might have been - self-defense.
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In that case, Harry should have shot Morgan in the back during Summer Knight. Morgan was a wizard and threat - he might not have been an active danger to Harry at the time but he was an existing threat to Harry.
And he should have arranged for a deadly accident for Marcone - who is also a threat. And (by extension) Hendricks. And he should have killed that White Court Vampire that was stalking him before Thomas revealed that he was Harry's brother. And Fitz - Fitz should have died for shooting at Molly.
But Harry isn't a killer who neutralises threats like that. He's deal with a danger while the danger exist and then tries to prevent the danger from coming back. At least that's who he was before he killed a woman he loved to protect the daughter he never knew. That's who he still was when he didn't have glans interfering with his thought process. Will he be the same person in a few books time? Who knows?
Those dark influences keep adding up and he hasn't had the chance to interact with any light influences (Micheal, Maggie, etc) for a while.
Richard
Serack:
--- Quote from: Richard_Chilton on March 20, 2012, 07:06:38 PM ---I didn't say that it would be a mercy killing - only that Harry could have rationalise it as a mercy killing. He didn't because he didn't have to. Harry had spent years getting used to the self image of "Harry - a cold blooded killer when he has to be". I'm not saying he's completely jaded, but the second one is always easier. That's the stain spreading on his self image if not his soul.
In that case, Harry should have shot Morgan in the back during Summer Knight. Morgan was a wizard and threat - he might not have been an active danger to Harry at the time but he was an existing threat to Harry.
And he should have arranged for a deadly accident for Marcone - who is also a threat. And (by extension) Hendricks. And he should have killed that White Court Vampire that was stalking him before Thomas revealed that he was Harry's brother. And Fitz - Fitz should have died for shooting at Molly.
But Harry isn't a killer who neutralises threats like that. He's deal with a danger while the danger exist and then tries to prevent the danger from coming back. At least that's who he was before he killed a woman he loved to protect the daughter he never knew. That's who he still was when he didn't have glans interfering with his thought process. Will he be the same person in a few books time? Who knows?
Those dark influences keep adding up and he hasn't had the chance to interact with any light influences (Micheal, Maggie, etc) for a while.
Richard
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However none of those threats had been told
--- Quote from: DM Ch 28 ---"If I see you again - ever - I'll kill you."
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Which was reiterated in DB
--- Quote from: DB ch 37 ---I rasped, "I told you."
He paused, eyebrows lifted, and rolled a hand. "Pray continue."
"Told you," I said, and it was marred with a groan. "Told you if I ever saw you again I would kill you."
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Richard_Chilton:
It's still killing someone when they're down. Maybe Harry didn't realise how much doing that would bother him, but it does.
That's why he had to talk things out with Micheal in Proven Guilty. More than anything else in that book, that conversation set the scene for Susan's death.
Richard
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Veritas on March 20, 2012, 05:29:52 PM ---Mercy killing? Look I like Harry but Harry only killed slate for power to rescue his daughter. Harry did not care about Slate's suffering. In PG Slate literally begs Harry to kill him ( Slate has his sanity at this point). Harry didn't want to kill him because he wanted Slate to suffer. I don't have my copy of PG but that was how the scene played out at Arctis Tor. He thinks to himself that he would like to see ways in which Slate's suffering is prolonged. I found the scene where he was hesistating killing slate in Changes weird. Now when Slate's mind is gone is when he kills Slate instead of giving Slate the mercy in PG.
Again I like Harry but I find his monologue in Changes about taking Lloyd Slates life hypocritical when in PG he was more than happy to let slate be tortured for as long as Mab wanted.
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It would have been a mercy killing if Harry had killed him in Arctis Tor during Proven Guilty. But then he did not have mercy.
Ziggelly:
--- Quote from: Richard_Chilton on March 20, 2012, 07:06:38 PM ---In that case, Harry should have shot Morgan in the back during Summer Knight. Morgan was a wizard and threat - he might not have been an active danger to Harry at the time but he was an existing threat to Harry.
And he should have arranged for a deadly accident for Marcone - who is also a threat. And (by extension) Hendricks. And he should have killed that White Court Vampire that was stalking him before Thomas revealed that he was Harry's brother. And Fitz - Fitz should have died for shooting at Molly.
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The others were vague, potential threats, with motivations that he could understand, and who could reasonably be dissuaded from hurting him or those around him. Cassius was a psycho on a vengeance kick, who had just cut his abdomen open with a hook knife and was very close to killing him.
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