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peregrine:
--- Quote from: AcornArmy on March 17, 2012, 08:13:30 PM ---The words the Whisperer said got him dead-- he would have become the Winter Knight with or without them. We know this because did become the Winter Knight without them, after Molly erased his memory.
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He had made the decision, even if he didn't remember why he made that decision. But before he heard the words, it was hopeless, there was nothing he could do. It was only after he was told it was all his fault was he willing to take that extra step.
But again, we've gone and done this over and over, nobody's getting their minds changed.
AcornArmy:
--- Quote from: peregrine on March 17, 2012, 11:21:24 PM ---He had made the decision, even if he didn't remember why he made that decision. But before he heard the words, it was hopeless, there was nothing he could do. It was only after he was told it was all his fault was he willing to take that extra step.
But again, we've gone and done this over and over, nobody's getting their minds changed.
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Well, then why bring it up? The second time his mind went through most of the same thoughts that he'd had before, which indicates that he had not made a decision yet. Unless you want to say that he'd already made the decision at that point the first time around, too. And the second time, he called Uriel for confirmation of his injuries and begged for help before doing anything else. It was only after talking to Uriel that he decided on what he had to do. The second time, he actually took longer to come to that conclusion than he had the first time, because the first time, he never even bothered to talk to Uriel first.
peregrine:
--- Quote from: AcornArmy on March 17, 2012, 11:52:31 PM ---Well, then why bring it up?
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Mostly because I'm incapable of just letting something so wrong (or so I think, obviously) become the standard accepted opinion without saying something about it, really.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Ms Duck on March 17, 2012, 08:33:46 PM ---knights show up to opose fallen, not before, meaning lasciel acted first.
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That is...not really at all how the Knights work. They are not constrained to only acting and showing up when the Denarians act first--if they were, Molly would be dead, and Harry with her.
Ms Duck:
They are certianly allowed to act to opose supernatural evil, but they play defense. Thats the whole point of the discussion with micheal in smf.. Harry wanted to go on offense and micheal said no. Being sent on a mission, with divine guidance, to save two people from a purely natural fire is not how they work. And in PG, there is plenty of evidence at least one fall..namshiel..was very much invlved.
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