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Sanctaphrax:
You can multimaneuver with Thaumaturgy, no doubt. But I don't see any particular reason to assume you can do so with Evocation.
As for zone grapples, they're doubly iffy. The zone block rules talk about covering multiple allies, not multiple characters. And since grapples are a special kind of block it's arguable whether Evocation can create them. (I know Orbius exists, but it ignores the rules anyway.)
Lavecki121:
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on February 20, 2013, 05:24:45 AM ---You can multimaneuver with Thaumaturgy, no doubt. But I don't see any particular reason to assume you can do so with Evocation.
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Evothaum should be able explain that one, though I'm not sure you can do that a rote. There aren't any rules saying you can't though.
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on February 20, 2013, 05:24:45 AM ---As for zone grapples, they're doubly iffy. The zone block rules talk about covering multiple allies, not multiple characters. And since grapples are a special kind of block it's arguable whether Evocation can create them. (I know Orbius exists, but it ignores the rules anyway.)
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I would say as long as a zone maneuver was done in advance (as this is what you need to do to trigger a normal grapple), I don't see why you couldn't. Also you can cover multiple characters with blocks. I don't know why you are saying you can only cover allies...maybe I just don't understand the wording
Sanctaphrax:
Indeed, evothaum multi-maneuvers are fine. Though they get a bit weird when they're offensive...if I cast a 12-shift multi-maneuver at you and you defend at 11, how many Aspects do I apply?
Anyway, the rules say "2 shifts of power allow the effect to cover multiple allies within the same zone". It's not clear how to cover multiple enemies, so most people (including me) just assume that the same surcharge applies.
And most people seem to assume that magical grapples don't require invokes.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Sanctaphrax on February 20, 2013, 07:05:38 PM ---Indeed, evothaum multi-maneuvers are fine. Though they get a bit weird when they're offensive...if I cast a 12-shift multi-maneuver at you and you defend at 11, how many Aspects do I apply?.
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I would say in that case, you roll individually against each aspect--if those 12 shifts are for four maneuvers, you roll four times to avoid them, just like if you're being attacked multiple times in a round.
Lavecki121:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on February 20, 2013, 07:14:10 PM ---I would say in that case, you roll individually against each aspect--if those 12 shifts are for four maneuvers, you roll four times to avoid them, just like if you're being attacked multiple times in a round.
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If that were the case then wouldnt it make more sense to use the multi attack variant and have the shifts split up between the maneuvers. So in that case it could be 4, 4 shift maneuver attacks. Though you could split it up differently.
Thats my take on it at least.
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