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The Deposed King:

--- Quote from: Lord Rae on May 03, 2012, 05:17:50 AM ---I'm definitely guilty of not letting myself writing crap. Well I write lots and lots of crap and then immediately change it over and over....and then over some more.

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You have to have enough of a foundation that you know where you're going with your story, plus you need to explain it to the reader.  But after 5 or 10% of your work you just have to cut loose.  If I stopped and fixed everything as I went I wouldn't have finished Admiral Who?.  I wrote half a book my Military Insect work, then peetered out.  So write write write.  Don't go back and re-re-re-do, IMO.

So go for it and pump out that volume!



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the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:

--- Quote from: The Deposed King on May 05, 2012, 08:57:44 PM ---You have to have enough of a foundation that you know where you're going with your story, plus you need to explain it to the reader.  But after 5 or 10% of your work you just have to cut loose.  If I stopped and fixed everything as I went I wouldn't have finished Admiral Who?.  I wrote half a book my Military Insect work, then peetered out.  So write write write.  Don't go back and re-re-re-do, IMO.

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Depends on your pattern.  I'm a counterexample, here; if something is wrong with a book I am two-thirds of the way through, trying to push through to the end rather than go back and fix it kills it.  Everybody's approach is different; so long as you are generating a finished thing at the end, any way of getting there that works is valid. (I have seven novels finished over the past fifteen years, and a number of others still being worked on, including one 450kword manuscript where it's only the end I am tweaking so that would probably practically count as a trilogy with two volumes finished.)

The Deposed King:

--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on May 06, 2012, 03:06:00 PM ---Depends on your pattern.  I'm a counterexample, here; if something is wrong with a book I am two-thirds of the way through, trying to push through to the end rather than go back and fix it kills it.  Everybody's approach is different; so long as you are generating a finished thing at the end, any way of getting there that works is valid. (I have seven novels finished over the past fifteen years, and a number of others still being worked on, including one 450kword manuscript where it's only the end I am tweaking so that would probably practically count as a trilogy with two volumes finished.)

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If it works don't 'fix' it.  I just wouldn't stop pumping out product.  Momentum has a way of pushing you over the finish line.

I can almost attest to that 15 year thing.  I've spent about 7 on one book and am half way through.  I'll finish it eventually.  On the other hand.  I wrote over 80% of Admiral Who? and finished the first draft, all in one month.

I just question how many of us will stick it out for the better part or excess of a decade and thus I'm shipping for the gut through it and never go back.  Create now, edit later.

But Neurovere is very much correct.  There are different models and no one side fits all.  Although I do tend to believe that everyone wants to hesitate and take it slow, when they should instead jump in with both feet.  I include myself in that assessment.



Just don't let anyone stop you not even yourself, and remember to always follow the dream,


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Paynesgrey:

--- Quote from: The Deposed King on May 11, 2012, 01:41:33 AM ---
If it works don't 'fix' it.  I just wouldn't stop pumping out product.  Momentum has a way of pushing you over the finish line.

I can almost attest to that 15 year thing.  I've spent about 7 on one book and am half way through.  I'll finish it eventually.  On the other hand.  I wrote over 80% of Admiral Who? and finished the first draft, all in one month.

I just question how many of us will stick it out for the better part or excess of a decade and thus I'm shipping for the gut through it and never go back.  Create now, edit later.

But Neurovere is very much correct.  There are different models and no one side fits all.  Although I do tend to believe that everyone wants to hesitate and take it slow, when they should instead jump in with both feet.  I include myself in that assessment.



Just don't let anyone stop you not even yourself, and remember to always follow the dream,


The Deposed King

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If there's one thing that drives me up the wall, it's that every time I re-read the stuff that I've worked on after 4 or 5 betas chew it over, I am constantly finding the odd word or phrase here or there to polish.  A slight twist that clarifies things, or just makes a line sing rather than talk.  Part of the learning process, I realize, but it still bugs me.  ;0

The Deposed King:

--- Quote from: Paynesgrey on May 11, 2012, 03:05:09 AM ---If there's one thing that drives me up the wall, it's that every time I re-read the stuff that I've worked on after 4 or 5 betas chew it over, I am constantly finding the odd word or phrase here or there to polish.  A slight twist that clarifies things, or just makes a line sing rather than talk.  Part of the learning process, I realize, but it still bugs me.  ;0

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The create and edit hats are different beasts IMO.

Beta's are awesome for the editing hat.  And when its time to edit, you've got to go at it with tong and hammer.

Just for me personally.  I know that if I do very much editing, I slow down to a halt on the creation front.

Beta's are vital for putting out a product you can be proud of.  You just have to make sure you're ready for them.  Its a balancing act between the desire to put it out and get feedback and maintaining forward momentum.  I hope others are better about this than I am.  >:(





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